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He is out of contract at the end of 2019 but he is not a free agent then. Scroll back through the thread if you need verification, it has been explained a number of times.

It looks like the fact that Hogan is not a free agent next year has to be re-stated on every page of this thread.

100m results are blunt instruments. There's a reason the AFL tests at 20m. Even then someone like Viney who has tremendous starting acceleration may not stand out.

If the full 11 are off then there's 28/33 ready to go. There's the 22 from the PF minus VDB and Tyson = 20 Plus 8 ready to go: Lever, Stretch, JKH, Hunt, Fritsch, Garlett, T.Smith, Wagner Plus 5 development: Maynard, Baker, Petty, Johnstone, Keilty - some of them could play in 2019 too. That's if everyone mentioned leaves and before we add any.

By my reckoning we'd still have a squad of 28 ready to play AFL players even with the 11 out and none in. 44-11=33. Only 5 not ready: Maynard, Baker, Petty, Johnstone and Keilty - even then all of these are close. So I think the depth crisis that some are worried about is overblown.

This is controversial I know but one way to decrease stoppages would be to ban tacklers grabbing the ball players wrist and therefore preventing him from handballling. It 's a very effective tackling innovation that impedes the ball player and creates many more stoppages. But I don't think it's in the spirit of flowing football. It could be banned like too high and too low.

It was interesting that the FD pushed him forward in the PF. In the recent past a defensive forward has been used to stop the running HB. The intercept marking back like McGovern, Howe, Rance, Lever, Stratton, Aliir is the new key player in teams arsenal and IMO the one to stop with a defensive forward. Joel Smith is well suited to play a tight match up on these players because he can compete strongly in the air and with his athleticism and pace we retain defensive tackiling pressure on the ground. I could really see this role as a game changer and Joel has the attributes. You can't play too many defensive forwards though and it would probably have to come at the expense of say ANB's role. The idea could be further strengthened by the 666 configuration to reduce the impact of intercept marking.

I think the AFL gave Geelong permission last year. They just want to protect against basket cases and desperate regimes selling their future down the river. But if the club looks in good shape I think they'll allow it. Here's a possible link I found but it's behind the paywall https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-can-again-trade-its-firstround-draft-pick-in-2018/news-story/82989f88db7d2425be27dae06077fab7

It is possible that Jason Taylor has identified a premium early draft prospect and we want to trade in to get him like we did with Clarrie and Weed. There's a lot of different scenarios to play out. Fascinating times. The report that we asked permission to trade our 2019 1st just adds to the intrigue. I've only seen a couple of posters say this and haven't seen an official confirmation though? I guess it just provides more flexibility and may not be directed at a specific target. Sounds like future picks will be eligible in draft night live pick trading too http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/twoday-draft-to-add-live-pick-trading

Is this ranking based on a custom algorithm you have come up with? Theres's quite a few anomalies with my subjective observations and our best and fairest results, even if they are ranked by points per game. Calculations do not equal objectivity.

Collingwood finished 13th in 2017, top of the bottom 6 and therefore got the "bottom 6" draw benefits. It is imperfect but they had a very good year and deserved their good outcome. I don't see their runner-up result as an anomaly given their season overall.

We've had some greats in this small defender role over the decades - Alan Johnson, Graeme Yeats, Matty Whelan and Nev sits very comfortably in that illustrious group.

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I thought you said Oscar had "no AFL attributes"?

Yes good point. Saints could down grade 3 (4 after Lynch) with Adelaide or Port and use the pick split to get Hannebury and still have an early pick. They have said they won't use 3 on Hannebury and their next pick is a 4th rounder so they need to do something like that. That's another potential deal ahead of any deal with Brisbane that would flow through Freo to us. Access to those 7, 9 & 10 picks via Freo for May is looking tricky. The Hogan compensation is fair at 2 early firsts and it might be that Freo only has 4 (from Neale) & 5 (5 & 6 after Lynch) to offer - good for us!

A lot of assumption that we are going to have 9 or 10 from Freo in the Hogan trade. But it is not clear that Freo will be able to get them from Port:

A lot of assumption in this thread that Freo is going to prise 9 & 10 from Port. I don't think that is clear at all:

Four South Australians in Cal Twomey's latest Phantom Form Guide: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-16/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-september 2. Lukosius 3: Rankine ... 8. Rozee 10. Hately Port hold 9 and is expected to get 10 from North for Polec from North. That would put them right in the frame for Rozee and Hately. Adelaide holds 7 & 15 (from us for Lever). Gold Coast will get 3 as compensation for Lynch and these picks will go out by one. GC will hold 2 & 3 - if Port or Adelaide want to get into the frame for Lukosius and Rankine they probably need to trade with GC. A lot of the Hogan / May discussion with Freo has been based around Freo trading pick 4 and 22 (5 & 23 after Lynch) that they receive from Brisbane for Neale to Port for 9 & 10 and then on trading one of them to us. This reading of the play suggests that pick 5 may not be early enough to get into the Lukosius / Rankine frame - it looks like any deal has to be struck with GC to me..

It is a valid observation that he didn't train with the main group during the finals. He does seem to have continuing injury concerns. The FD clearly love what he offers because they brought him in at the earliest hint he was ready to go in 2017 and 2018. His attack on the contest and the impact it brings is probably up there with our best like Viney. But the queries on his disposal skills are valid too. Fair observations that he's a terrible handballer. I'd definitely prefer we keep him, he was in my start of year best 22, but he 's not core to success.

Yeah well welcome to the world Rumplestiltskin. We just don't operate that wat because what goes around comes around and we're fair dealers.

No points are also used to value picks only trades.

Pick 4 = 2034 points. Pick 9 = 1469 points the difference is 565 points. Pick 33 = 563 points. So pick 4 = pick 9 + 33. The closest pick Port hold is pick 27. If we offered pick 4 to Port they'd offer us back 9 + 27 which would still favour us. There's no way they'd offer 9 + 10 which equals 2879. It's not that hard.

[censored] they'll do the deal with Brisbane or Freo who hold the picks worth the equivalent points.

The #1 hasn't had a great run at MFC.