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As long this trade remains incomplete it means we still believe we're in the Hogan trade market.

You're a massive hypocrite - you accused me of posting drunk first. Raising NFL trades that are irrelevant to the AFL context and unknown to all but a small group of posters here who follow the NFL is not a constructive argument.

Or Fremantle offer us 5 + 30 which is their next pick and try to hold onto 14. That sounds more like Bell's MO. There'll be epic melts here if that happens and we do that deal.

On points 14 = 23 + 45. When your first two picks are 36 and 46 it probably does make a difference.

70 posts in 13 years. ETD makes that many per hour. Quality over Quantity?

You're the the dope who bizarrely introduced irrelevant and obscure NFL draft references to the argument. "RG3" - you're a [censored].

You're right Mahoney's a dunce, he thought he was trading up so Taylor could take Walter Payton at 4. Imagine his surprise when that didn't happen!

We keep hearing about him

Will you be MIA for those 12 months and then be reborn like the phoenix (that could be your next user name) Seems like an unfair bet.

Mahoney, Taylor and no doubt Viney collaborated to engineer a major recruiting coup.

If trading up to enable Taylor to select Oliver and Weed isn't a massive win then we've got a lot to look forward to.

It must be challenging to live with disappointment year on year.

Yes OMac's improvement curve is pretty steep and he seems very coachable. I expect him to take another leap in 2019. Lever in the side will make him better still and we'll either have May or Hogan back there too. I'm excited at the prospects for improvement.

Comparing May and Oscar is not valid. Oscar is 22, the valid comparison is May at 22 in 2014 with Oscar now. Oscar is on a steep improvement curve year on year and will become a very strong all round defender.

I'm feeling content - no lose situation. Trade with Fremantle will happen at a reasonable price and we'll on trade for May. Trade doesn't happen and an exciting experiment with Jesse at CHB in 2019. The dogs may bark but the caravan rolls along.

Related to Jamie Duursma?

Yes total outlier situation when we were bleeding goals. Akin to the last 2 minutes of quarters. It's pulling the emergency cord. The context of the question was using Hogan as starting CHB next year. Are you seriously suggesting that we'll ever start TMac as key back in the future? It's over - he's a key forward. .

Stupidity confirmation. The only time TMac might be in the back 50 is in the last 2 minutes of quarters when we're trying to stop opposition scoring.

I'd like to point out that May is no choir boy either - there's risk in recruiting him. He's not the guaranteed universal panacea. I'm fine with the trade going ahead. But I'm at least equally fine with trying Jesse at CHB next year. It worked for Hurley who had a similar chequered start at a key forward.

It's because Jesse Hogan is our star player and we are much more personally invested in him than Freo fans are. He's reality to us and theory to them.

Yeah OK I get that. Now how does it apply specifically to this thread?

I'm struggling to see the analogy - perhaps you can tease it out for me? Who is God for a start off?

I think that's the missing point. Tries CHB, dominates, likes it. Look I'm happy to do the trade at market value but I'm equally happy to try to salvage the best outcome for the club it it can't happen because Bell's a f'wit.

GC would be rapt with this deal as would MFC if there was a sweetener involved. The only sticking point would be Hogan's willingness - a pretty major sticking point I imagine. Still GC could offer a Buddy style $11m over 9 years deal that may entice.

That's a consistent line of reasoning across the years. It's uncommon and there's a lot to be said for that. My only observation it's not totally objective. You understandably get very excited and salivate at outstanding KPF prospects and build a very high hope and expectation. When that's not met the crash is hard. The pendulum swings a long way the other direction. I'm pretty sure you strongly value objectivity - you've got a bias here. There wasn't much baby with the Watts bathwater, I think there still can be with Hogan. He could find his niche in the backline like Hurley has and dominate for years to come. I'm still sufficiently excited by this prospect.