Grr-owl

I reckon he's the archetypal FF for the next age of footy. Super-mobile, super-agile. Can pinch-hit all over the ground. Give him time and we're good to go...

It looked good and sure felt good. There were options that paid off and when they didn't someone to limit the damage, mostly. Hope restored.

Flowering beautifully.

Totally agree.

Feel compelled to respond to the emoji avalanche. I wasn't complaining or arguing that the kind of racism I experience was somehow equivalent to that suffered by black Americans or indigenous Australians. The point I was making is that racism in not exclusively practiced by white people. Where I live one tiny ethnicity discriminates against all others and not equally, and they are not white.

Perhaps because he was showed doing it. If so, a perception can form...

So good to see the team put in a performance that we can’t really complain about. Sure, there was some poor play, but it didn’t define the game. Keep up this kind of footy and the future looks bright.

Was going to open a thread myself....

Cheers, I'll take look.

No need to be aggressive to me, Nev. If you aren't willing to help me with a reference, then I'm walking blind in the library and more likely to go past the stack. Never mind, I'll help myself...

This doesn't have to be a personal thing. Just having a discussion. Sowell has been criticized in the manner that you say, but that doesn't mean he is wrong. He also accuses his critics of failing to provide evidence. For me, the jury is out on Sowell. His politics have a sniff of libertarian about them, which is a bit suspicious. But then it's not his identify that needs to be discussed, but his writing. Maybe rather than make assumptions about me, you could direct me to a source on the history of slavery with a bit more integrity.

Yep. No truth in it?

I get it. Do you get my point?

Wow, that is stunning. The underlying assumptions reinforce powerlessness. A concrete ceiling, so to speak. In that case, what's the point of expending energy on trying to improve life for people? Everyone is eternally trapped. The ideology underlying those ideas is theistic. Beware.

Quite a list. Disgraceful, to say the least. On the positive side, though Indigenous people won the right to vote in 1967, where I live the last slave market closed in 1968. As bad as the Australian list of abuses is, it isn't worse than other civilizations, and it is better in one extremely important respect: There is a list. That is to say, while the rest of the world pretends that such abuses as those above existed only in the West, and while almost nobody knows the history of something as significant as slavery -- Australians are acknowledging that abuses have happened and are grappling with racism. No need to beat each other up about a past that can't be changed. Deal with it and make the future better. That's kind of a football way of handling things...

It was even here before white people, because there were people here. By writing, "We Whites" you are being racist. There is no 'we.' You are attributing a characteristic to the color of someone's skin. Apparently, I am not worthy because my skin is white. It is not true. I am worthy and my skin color has nothing to do with it.

We are not. Some are. They are the [censored]. Thomas Sowell may be interesting regarding apologies, reparations and other such ideas, though in an American context. Sowell's conservatism irks me, but he makes a solid argument. Try it here: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/thomas-sowell-on-the-legacy-of-slavery-vs-the-legacy-of-liberalism/

Yeah, you've read me the way I intended. The fact that we are grappling (good word) with it distinguishes us.

Character is built through education. People around us guide us through experience. If a young human received the 'education' that Adolf Hitler did, becoming a tyrant is entirely possible, though not necessary.

I've been living overseas for 18 years and Australia is not racist. Even the fact we recognize what racism is and are confronting it distinguishes us positively. Of course, there are racist Australians, of all colors, but to say the country is racist is absurd when you take into account post-war immigration. I mean, just check out to see if immigration to China or the Middle East or other places outside the West is even possible...

Yeah. It must be a trope. They just roll it out.... Add to the impression that MFC isn't serious in confronting its shortcomings. Automatic dishonesty. I mean, the last thing I want to hear is that they are ignoring the noise. There's a lot of truth in that noise, and ignoring it is dumb.

I think you're mistaken. We are all people, and as such we are capable of understanding each other. We could all be St Francis or Adolf Hitler given the right, or wrong, circumstances. The idea that we somehow can't speak for others is not accurate in my experience. To assume it is places people in boxes marked by their identity, and surely that is the opposite of what we are trying to achieve when confronting racism.

I can't give you specifics as there is a risk that my children would be persecuted for it. Not sure how I've defeated my own point....

Is this thread about the footballer or a new Robert Ludlum novel?

What did I say?! https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/740602/demons-ignore-the-noise-as-they-aim-for-sydney-reset