Hogan2014

Agree but my point is more towards the integrity of the draw which can be favourable to certain clubs... ultimately up to the clubs to be successful off & on the field via good mgt etc. Hawks after the failed merger went forward with great financial success well prior to winning the 4 flags .. Mfc went around in circles with band aid approaches.. can’t change the past let’s hope they can set the future

The Afl draw will always punish smaller clubs as there is no integrity in the competition! How can there be?? When you don’t play each other twice, when the draw is geared around tv ratings & bigger clubs playing in prime time. Kudos to clubs who manage their clubs well and have built their war chest vs the MFC who continued to have debt demolitions for the past decade...

Exactly the Hawks developed long term plans for financial success which translated into on field success with 4 flags ... the Mfc looked to a white Knight Guidnick and continued to go around in circles for another 2 decades with zero flags & burnt all of their early draft picks & to rub salt into the wound Scully may end up winning a flag with Hawthorn!!

All clubs will be affected in terms of their income no doubt .. clubs like tigers, hawks, WC with their premiership success have built up a war chest of funds along with the pies. clubs like the Mfc who have make continued losses will no doubt struggle & in our case impact on funding a new home base...

We have same serious issues

Knowing the history of the Afl & how it treats the MFC they will crucify us with more interstate travel & Sunday games & tigers , pies will get 14 home games

Let’s compare Hawks have recruited Patton, Scully, Omera which didn’t cost much & with injury issues & Mitchel who won a Brownlow vs Melb Lever, May, Langdon , Tommlison. lever already done his knee, May come in poor shape & we gave up a fair bit for them the other 2 are only in their 1st season. The question is we lost Hogan a gun forward understanding his issues nevertheless & we recruit a defender in May , nothing against him but why? Don’t understand the strategy & risky expecting Macca a defender turned fwd with 1 good season??? Hawks strategy seems to be on target though with risks in particular Patton x 3 knee recos.. based on history can just see it all working for them as much as I hate them!

17 other teams are faced with c19 also with some interstate teams having to play interstate, I’d love to see Goody succeed but would need to look at it if we have another disaster like 2019. Only issue I can see would be the $$$ & the financial impact of c19

Hypothetical should the club consider Lyon if he wanted to coach in 2021?

Bottom line with McLean, Sylvia, Moloney all party boys with poor culture within the club @ the time . Strong successful footy clubs with strong culture can pull players into line & weed out the ones who don’t conform . It may not have changed McLeans behaviour but just don’t know. Good on McLean for calling out the tanking at the time as it just reinforce. How much of a basket case the club had become!

A consistent theme in every season they have played finals losing multiple games in a row to miss out on making the top 4 & just scraping in. 2018 another missed opportunity to make the top 4 , lost to the Cats twice when in winning positions. Can’t seem to maintain the intensity & a history of falling of the cliff eg 2019.

They should consider looking at aligning with Port Melb FC some colours & theme song. The fishermen’s bend development will see an extra 20,000 in population growth. The ground is in need of development & opportunity to develop great training facilities along with housing the entire club under one roof. Easier access for members & supporters to access vs what we have now.

Club never evolved as comp become more professional. Never established a home base for its supporters, just look @ Collingwood base which we were offered but rejected & It’s now 2020 & still no home base Continuous poor appointments to people both on & of the field , always band aide approaches with no strong long term strategic plans. After the failed merger in 96 Hawks developed a plan with its members resulting in a new home base & 4 flags. Mfc continued down the same path of just trying to survive & relied on a white knight Gutnick to save the club! Continues poor recruiting with poor culture & development , just look @ all the early top 15 draft picks we took from 07-13 & see how many are on our list, let alone any Afl list

Totally agree in actual fact he stated that was the reason he asked for a trade ...out club was in a mess void of leadership or culture & one wonders if players like him & Sylvia were at Geelong , Hawks, Swans what would the outcomes have been???

Hate to say it but watch afl make the Dees travel more than Richmond or Collingwood

Agree .. that’s what happens when you don’t play each other twice ... both Melb & Coll only beat 1 team in the top 8 in 2018 yet Pies finished to 4 separated by % from WC who beat 5 teams in the top 8 . Perhaps a solution is to play each other once then top 8 play each other again to finalise their positions... the bottom 10 can play a round robin for prize money or draft picks .. this would make it a 24 game season for top 8 & ensure positions earned are fair.

Correct tv rights/ratings continue to shape every season fixture thus compromising the draw! Eg Tigers played last 7 games in 2019 in Vic mostly @ the mcg why???

Don't disagree the issue with the club especially after the failed merger is that Hawks actually developed long term strategies both off & on the field & really professionalised their club from a financial view to getting a proper home training base. The MFC continued with band aid choices always trying to stay afloat hence poor appointments across the footy dept & look its 2020 & still no home base. I believe Daniher once said they to train with witches hats for goal posts across multiple training grounds! How he got the team to play finals is amazing! Whilst Collingwood snapped up the old glass house Olympic Park!!!!

Neitz only because 300 game captain & more goals, one wonders though if Lyon didn't have the career ending injury what his stats would have been

For the record Daniher 98-06 made 2 prelims in 98, 2000 inc GF along with finals 02,04,05,06. Not sure if you haven't developed your list you would play in 6 final series. Club fell apart in 07 with mounting debts followed by poor appointments across all footy depts inc CEO, President inc coaches, tanking saga screwed our culture, poor recruitment inc development & finally Neeld!

64 million dollar question... Daniher era resulted in making finals every 2nd year from 98-07. They couldn’t sustain the intensity to go all the way . They missed out on finals in 01 after making GF in 2000

The Daniher era 98-06 should have resulted in a flag. 2000 Essendon were too strong but 04 we were on top & lost the last 4 games to finish outside the top 4 .. just seem it was always a bridge too far for them.

Amazing how our club couldn’t win a flag with so many multiple goal kickers during that era of the early 90s with Jackovich,Schwarz,Lyon who were on fire in 94

Great series & how a team unravelled from playing in the Premier league to relegation to the Championship & then league along with deep financial issues, losing good players, staff turnover , 4 managers in 12 mths, change of ownership, supporters who have never seen their teAm win anything & their cub is everything. Sounds familiar to MFC???

What talent we had in 94 & what could have been, the old injury curse in 95. lyon, Schwartz, Neitz, Stynes, Lovell , Tingay jackovich, Charles, Pike , Prymke.