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You would think that but if they are directed to position themselves in a certain way, they are expected to follow that instruction.

The Jeff White analysis is ultra-interesting, and confirms what I had started to think: Jones is not the man for the job sand the quicker we realise it, the better. As Adam the God said, we are playing exactly like he used to, but with our midfield, that is so wrong. Also agree that the players are not running to offer leads etc - usually a sign of dissatisfaction with the coach, but which coach? Richardson needs to get involved.

More and more I'm looking at our midfield coach. He was brought in for PR really but we are getting shellacked in the clearances so there are no good forward opportunities and too much pressure on the defence. And the players look very unhappy - why is that?

Yes, thank you, that was exactly my point. I would FAR rather watch us win 71-64 in a " boring defensive style " than watch us play fast, outside football and lose by 5 goals. Now, about our midfield. In his presser, Goody said our midfield system wasn't working, and that is obviously true. Much as he was a greatly-loved player, should we be looking at our first-year midfield coach?

What was one of the more interesting and objective threads on Demonland has, like so many others, been hacked by the "let's bag Goody" brigade. Such a shame. On a more objective note, why does everyone seem to want us to play the "modern game" of fast movement etc? If we choose to play that way, don't we have to become the BEST at it if we want to win a flag? And if we're are starting from behind in terms of playing personnel, skills etc, then our chances of becoming the best are slim or nil. Wouldn't it be better to play our own game of contest and defence, and rely on that to be capable of beating the alternative game style?

Sorry mate, I still don't get your point - I THINK you are disagreeing with me but crikey, you are making a terrible job of it. Bulldogs got a flag 9 years ago and I C an talking about much more recent history than that. You might not have noticed, but a lot of outsiders think their list has been the best in the league. Certainly, plenty of people think that Brisbane have got a GREAT list - actually, they do - and they have had one flag (20 years ago is ancient history). Others think the same of Carlton - no flags. Geelong have been thereabouts for ever - many many prelims - one flag in the last 15 years. Sydney - always there, no recent flags. Apart from last year we have been super-competitive, with a very good list. End of story. If you want to comment, can you do so in a way that we can understand?

I think you are having a go at me but honestly, can't you do better than that? My point was: the amount of times I read on this absolutely c..p thread that Good has wasted a list, the likes of which have never been seen before on earth or in heaven. Which is such rubbish. We have had a strong list with a number of superstars. In the same period, so have WB, Brisbane, Carlton, Sydney.... two of which are empty-handed.

On another track, I have been thinking about some of the players we have let go - Jordon, Bedford and Harms in particular. All of them have made their way elsewhere as taggers. We have not really focused on having a tagger - Harms did it occasionally but not consistently. But it didn't seem to be a part of Goody's method. But at the moment there are a number of players who absolutely MUST be tagged - eg Cripps, Daicos, Neale - and I wonder if we should develop a player in that role. And as someone who just doesn't seem to be making it, but who is a good size and might have the discipline, I wonder if Woey Jr could do that?

At last - someone who sees that other clubs want to win flags too, and some of them actually have pretty good lists.

Gee, that's an original viewpoint. I haven't heard any poster say that before.

Is this fact or speculation?

I love the phrase "lower your eyes". To my mind it doesn't get used nearly enough....🙄

Don't worry. Kent can't even spell his own name.

I've read that on this site too. They practise all the speccy shots, on their own time. They need to have organised practice of simple shots. The speccies can look after themselves.

Surely Lobb should have received a medal..

And got 2 Brownlow votes in his first game IIRC.

31 frees to 14. i hate them.

I think that Spargo might work well with Turner. Turner makes good position, Spargo is our best deliverer after Melksham: they might form a good combination.

Oops - I hadn't realised the point was paid as a free

I would have wanted that "point" call reviewed, and how did Cripps get away with a one- handed throw that went 10m

All very good points

I hate Windsor at HB. I would try putting Lindsay there - his movement reminded me of Judd McVee and wouldn't that be nice!! To have two of them! But HB is a real problem for us at the moment because we only have Salem and Bowser as available established HBFs. Sestan may be worth a try... Or put Rivers back there.

This post answers a lot of the criticism of Fritta in earlier posts. He has been a deep forward, and yes, not only a deep forwards being covered better, but other teams are well aware of his capacity. Which is why he has been less effective over recent years, but it is not to blame him.

My recollection – this was not shown on the replay – is that there was quite a huddle of our midfield group, outside the centre Square, taking an unusually long time to discuss tactics. I suspect the speculation about the audible is correct.

AJ is a real trier and I love that.