Lord Nev

Genuine question - Can you show me where that's happened? I've not followed super closely, but as already noted there has been some pretty harsh comments made about the Hawthorn process so far: “I don’t want to tell people how to vote or what to think. That is not my go. But I am particularly concerned where effectively the current board and president have suppressed opposition or any dissent,” he said. “They are effectively state-controlled media in how they use their own database and messaging. It is a members’ resource. If they want to use that for electioneering they should offer that to all people putting their hat in the ring. Hawthorn legend Chris Langford weighs into bitter boardroom fight Also, didn't Peter Lawrence just get access to the entire members database to contact them about his agenda? I'm not rusted on to the current board at all. As is the same with the rest of us, we can only judge the board by the club's performances (not just on field), and by all accounts every aspect of that is tracking very very well. The home base is the fly in the ointment currently, but I don't put the entirety of that on the current board given the time span. There's also a bit of trust required at times like this when things are running well that the mix of strengths is cohesive. I had no opinion either way on Lawrence when he originally agitated for the board, but after this fiasco IMO he has shown himself as not the correct temperament at all to be running my football club. I just don't see why anyone would be agitating for change so fervently at the moment when things are good unless they had a personal connection to someone trying to get onto the board or a personal grievance with someone already currently on there.

Why don't you sue your way onto the board...

Perhaps they knew ahead of time the character of certain nominees that some of us have since discovered for ourselves... ;) Say hi to your mate.

I mean, if the rules are the same for everyone then that's the very definition of fair isn't it? The rules also say each candidate is entitled to a 300 word statement and a photo.

Ah yes, Hawthorn, the democratic gold standard hey... "He told the Herald Sun on Sunday night he was furious the Hawthorn executive and current board had used its official social media and website, as well as the club’s membership database, to communicate their position on the election but deny rivals the same opportunity." “The fact the nominations closed the day they came out, they have tried to suppress opposition. It is straight out of Putin’s playbook. Suppress opposition and control the media.”

So you're saying here you know we went the government with an official plan drawn up for that little triangle next to Gosch's and the government said no? Can you tell me exactly where you got that information? That seems new.

I agree the Geelong stuff is ridiculous, but can you tell me exactly which proposals we've taken to the state government and had turned down?

Like it mate. Definitely feels like any kind of community 'angle' we can put forward the better, and will definitely help with the amount of funding or getting certain plans approved, but I honestly think our biggest obstacle is just the land itself. Me personally, I'd much rather have us build something amazing further out - maybe out in an area like Kew, Camberwell, out to Burwood, Ashwood etc - than squeeze some half baked facilities into a little corner off Gosch's.

Lol. Come off it mate.

How do you know this? Aside from Yarra Park, which was handled poorly, what other options have we gone to the state government with and been turned down for? What 'land is there' exactly? Which options are you speaking of? My guess, and it's a total guess, is that IF we've been turned down for other options (haven't heard of any though) it would likely be because they were similar to Yarra Park where it was a minimal at best chance of ever being approved. We need to look outisde of the MCG precinct. We just won't get the facilities we should have anywhere in that area, and ideas about slipping a building into a corner or car park, moving things under ground, are all just half measures like we currently have. Don't see the point in doing anything then like that when we could build something actually fantastic and fit for purpose somewhere else.

More footy and more money for the club and people still complain. We're 10-5 at Adelaide Oval, so this could be a win for us as well quite possibly. We're spoiled in Melbourne with a semi-Magic Round most weeks, spare a thought for the footy loving fans of SA and WA who usually only get 1 AFL game a week, they'll be rapt with this.

Obviously never went to Magic Mountain...

The same Casey where we trained to win a flag and still train and play? The reason we haven't received more is we don't have a location/land. Receiving nearly $10 million in government/council funds for our existing facilities when by our own admission they're probably temporary is pretty decent from that side of things IMO. Just off the mark how people keep complaining about this apparent luck of funds and conspiracy theories about not enough votes etc. Also - 'The State' didn't 'give' netball that, it was a business-efficient sponsorship from Visit Victoria's marketing budget. Not going further into that can of worms/cooker rant territory though.

Yes, we got $2 million towards Gosch's and $7.5 million towards Casey. You seemed to be saying we've got nothing from the government and we'd never see announcements from them - you were wrong.

Yeah it reads a bit award doesn't it? I wouldn't worry too much about their performance being superior to Blicavs and Stanley though, reckon they've got them covered!

I'm not sure I would call Tomlinson (168 games), Bowey (Premiership player), Chandler and Bedford (4th year players) or Weid (60 games) 'raw recruits'. That is also beside the fact that you wouldn't bring them in expecting them to carry the team or have a big impact. Just play a role within our system that enables the managing of more needed players preparation for when they are required for the business end of the season. If our game plan relies on an exact set of 22 players every week then we're in a bit of trouble.

We had well and truly started dropping off before the last month of game though. We had lost 5 of the previous 8 games before that last month. We didn't all of a sudden struggle because we came up against top 9 teams in the last month. The whole point is managing the year with an eye to peaking at the right time, and it seems from the outside we absolutely got that wrong and came into that last month and then finals banged up and not ready. Besides all that, Geelong were managing players half way through the year, they didn't just start doing it in the last month once they thought they had a good run home. For us, the ship had pretty much sailed by the last month came around.

TBF, I wouldn't have thought having one ruck in the middle and one floating back was totally groundbreaking for us given how much we've seen Gawn float back the last few years. Not too many options when playing two rucks.

Was just about to post the same kind of thing. Our problem is lack of land.

Bowey, Chandler, Bedford, Weid, JVR, Laurie, Tomlinson all could have been rotated through at different times late in the year without costing our system too much. You obviously wouldn't do too much at once, but giving the injured players that extra recovery could have made the world of difference. Cats did it, worked alright for them this year hey?

Not sure if you're serious here? There's tons and tons of these every year... Here's a brief snapshot only from that same promoter, and it even features the current premiers! Oh boy! Hope they're not over celebrating hey!

Yeah, in finals - 19 disposals and 8 turnovers per game...

Averaged 7.6 turnovers per game once he went into the midfield. Out of our other mids - Viney 5.4, Oliver 5.2, Trac 4.8. During that period he averaged 27 disposals per game, which is less than both Clarry (32) and Trac (28).

Averaged the 2nd most turnovers per game for us this year despite playing the majority of the year as a loose man in the easiest position on the ground. For reference, he was 4th for average disposals. It was a really poor year for him disposal-wise. He's better than that, and we need him to be better than that next year.