Lord Nev

@george_on_the_outercan you please explain exactly what post I was given an "inappropriate language" penalty for in this thread? I understand some might not have agreed with my comments in regards to the timing of the complaints in this thread, but given they related to someone you seem to have a personal relationship with it doesn't seem like proper moderation to be deleting posts and handing out warnings simply because you disagree with them when nothing "inappropriate" was ever said.

Except that NBA franchises are privately owned and generally their practice facilities are nothing special. Also, often the team head offices are in the stadiums or other locations. Hmmm a training facility and head office in different locations? Intriguing concept. Probably not the best analogy to draw here.

I'm not anymore concerned about it than I was about this time last week. Keen for something to happen, but also understand the complexities, just find the timing of the renewed outrage interesting.

#DemonSpirit

It's 2022 mate, you need to get on the vapes and tik toks to be a part of the club now...

Yep, with you on that. Thought #GiveEmHell could have hung around longer and is a bit more inspiring. #DemonSpirit just feels a bit not connected to anything - Doesn't reference our song, doesn't have any kind of real 'Demon' connection, just a bit nothing. Wouldn't care so much if it was just a hashtag, but it's the whole marketing motto, and in the era of the 'disruptors' (god, I hate corporate speak) it's wishy washy.

I'm tipping him to potentially be tried on the wing, but I reckon Howes is one to keep an eye on next year too.

Would be pretty apparent if you read the article.

For now....

Nah. It shouldn't be up to the club to facilitate the agenda of every member. Demonland would shut down, we'd all be emailing the database with our opinions.

I'm sure he's a great bloke, just going by his passion and financial contributions that we know of he comes across as a genuine and valuable supporter. But I don't agree with the above at all. He wasn't 'denied' anything other than having the club facilitate his communication for him. He has social media, he has a website, he seems to have considerable financial means - and members already knew plenty about him and 'Deemocracy' even before he got our contact details.

Is your son under 18 by any chance WCW? It could be that? Going by this below, it at least looks like AFLW members would get to vote.

I believe when you purchase your membership initially one of the things it lists is "Club voting rights (if over 18)".

I don't know if they did or didn't, or exactly how the data was provided, so not really suggesting either way.

Unless you're going to show us all the specific document(s) provided there's no way to say exactly how it was provided. Perhaps emails and addresses were separate, perhaps names were provided alongside the emails, perhaps they were all together, it hasn't really been clarified.

For me, the difference is where I choose to supply my email address. I chose to supply my email address, including which one, to Demonland when signing up - I did not choose to supply my email address to 'Deemocracy'. Demonland has a really clear privacy policy where it even outlines how it protects and stores user data - 'Deemocracy' have provided no such information and everything I've seen from them relating to technology has looked pretty shonky tbh. If 'Deemocracy' actually lived up to their 'transparency' mantra then perhaps they would have supplied the obviously concerned members with the information regarding how they plan to use, store and then destroy the data.

Yeah fair enough, will do. And funnily enough I was a lockdown defender! haha

You did mate, because that was not what the discussion was which I highlighted above. The discussion was about the board sending those grievances on behalf of non-board members. I asked for examples of that and you moved the goal posts to 'members raise grievances all the time'.

Genuine question, does Solomon Lew send the letters himself or does the Myer board send them for him? That's where I'm trying to draw the similarities here. I'm 100% for members airing their grievances with the board, sharing new ideas, proposing changes etc, I'm just not aware of any previous examples where an AFL club board has been forced to send opposing views for a non-board member.

No. The point was using the club's database to raise greivances. As below. Don't try and move the goal posts. Again. Still waiting.

Think you've got your wires crossed here mate. I've asked both jnr and Dr for examples of where an incumbent board has used their own database or means of communication to advertise opposing views from a challenger. Apparently that happens all the time in the 'real world' but I've not been given the specific examples yet. I'm not talking about general corporate governance because I've been talking about the precedent set by Lawrence in accessing the data.