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He still is and will for most of his retirement . FWIW I totally agree with Gil and call this the "Fake Win" akin to the Blues Over Payments when "Pigs [censored]" Elliot ran the Club like Crown Casino. Hard not to dislike Paddy really but it happened right in front of me and from the top level stand on the wing:/hf he deliberately decided that Carlton needed some grunt to liven up his players ( they were 5/6 goals down) and took out Ah Chee as a sample of "tough footy". The 2 weeks was absolutely justified and the shambolic AFL MRO/Tribunal/Appeals system is a disgrace. Should be rethought and restructured before 2023.

Of course Rovers and Salem played injured and were bought back straight into the AFL We should learn and give long term injured a return in the VFL to allow some sort of recovery. Sparrow needs a few VFL games also. Many of our other players were injured and playing at the end of the year. We don't learn and thsts why we couldn't play out games to the full. Goody and the SC are guilty.

Correct LDC By the Wed all exits were finished as Gawny took Cup home on the Thursday.

Disagree D 11 These players of Geelong are the greatly improved ones that are much better than the slow and marginally skilled Dalhsus for example. Menogola is a good player but on a wing ? They all have pace and the ability to run and keep the ball in motion. That's the new Chris Scott mantra after a decade of slow but steady ball movement. Each one of these new players are sharing 1,2 or 3 on grounds each round . We must move on our flankers etc snd 4 and 5 on ballers and get better and more skilled role players and ideal match winners say like Kossie and Lingers. The Spargs ANB and Sparrow/( Harmes ? Not sure really) are on notice. We need Howes Chandler Bedford snd AMZ to find their legs in 2023. Oh and Bowser in the team snd a fit Salem and Rivers.

understand up to a point thanks LH That's providing we look for players rather than a realistic pick if any of our players are delisted or approached at say 3rd or 4th round!!!

Don't want surprises and Tommo is contracted another year and Hunt has been offered or is contracted. Bedford has not accepted a 2 year deal to date but has multiple suitors. If we have these deals I Hope we trade for a required position rather than 3rd rounder! Say.

Not Kossie standard but best of the ones who have not been tried.

Not so good now Simon 60% 5-3.

This is bad news. After an underwhelming 2022 where players from 2021 were not under enough pressure to produce by the Coach and SC we need at least 6 new players over 2021 and 2022. To improve our list and keep the list keen and yearning for growth. Internal improvement is not enough and in 2022 many list players fell off their 2031 standard. Yes about 8/10 Casey players are promising or will get a chance early but nothing is certain. Hopefully a couple of new coaches are sought ( not in place of Ooze BTW) for new plans snd our forward line and backs both could be looked at. I think some sense in recruiting by trade is very necessary for us at present so hope this May eventuate. Our Four Year Plan is petering out if this is the 2023 version.

No he's a 3rd year prodigy like Trac was in his 3rd year counting his first injury prone year in the counting of his first 3 years. Potential evident but uses it sparingly at 20 years of age!!

My goodness OD something positive are you OK? FWIW I totally agree with you. Something sad and world shattering has happened and we are agreeing OD Maybe it's a Royal sadly passing. R.I. P. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth 11. Long live the new King Charles 111.

Sorry I have watched Robbo for his 2/3/4 years at the Lions and if you parcel up our 5 players he is lucky to have enough skill as the best in each of the 5. He is not quick ( we lack some outside pace still ) not a good ball handler) not a great goal kicker really and his best role may be as a tagger but Harmesy has him covered there. Only plus is his age and he MAY improve I suppose. But NO from me.

Another DS motherhood statement. Thank goodness JT and Lamby have nailed the top two rounds picks in the last 5 years. DS would by now would have declared them as illegal citizens and shipped off in disgrace to Port Arthur or Shanghai or it's modern equilivent Wuhan The fact is the Famous Five DS has listed were 12 mths ago the goldest role players in our history and untouchable in Club folklore. 2022 was a lesser year for many on our list and not changing at selection has taken the shine off their glitter. Really we can count on hand the few that actually improved in 2022 and it became so obvious that Goody wanted to replay 2021 all over again. That and injury and IMHO only 80% recovery for some players also hurt us in our 3rd and 4th terms fade outs. About FIVE/SIX new players are needed in 2023 to replenish some positions but all our players have the chance to stay relevant with good pre seasons and 100.% recovery from injury if they survive the cuts.

Yes amazing how a full season AFTER an ACL many players are so different in their confidence and movements. Let's just wait and see as Tommo has another year on contract I believe.

You don't think Jacko was not the same after his calf injury 2/3 way Through the season? And played with injury like about 6 or 8 players. You are taking it all out on him after our result in the Finsls Some other players we're not near their best of 2021. Viz ANB Spargo Rivers Salem Sparrow Bowey ( should have played in Finsls) Harmes Lever.etc. It was our fault that we played injured players and who couldn't play out the game. Goody also was too loyal to some. Need to find 5/6 new players for 2023 in draft trade and are at Casey already.

How many hitouts ? Handballs ? Don't be selective D17.

Give Rosman a rookie spot and hope he comes on and does not get injured. Trying to be creative how would' Logie (Freo) and Keath (Dogs ) or Bruce(Dogs) be any good as 3rd or 4th forwards or defenders? None are over 195 cm I don't think but as KP F or Backs Bruce might also surprise in defence. Logue should thrive with us up forward or back and Keath may be a 4 th defender if Turner comes on. As a KP Back as we think Thsts assuming Petty goes forward . Should not cost us a fortune.and plenty of ready made depth. Bruce may need a thorough medical however. How about a Top3 pick from Freo plus Logue and Henry as a hslf firward or winger for JL and our No 34 or future 2nd or 3rd Rounder? Adding Grundy Cadman ( or the best KPF draft recruit ) plus say Logue, Bruce or Keath and Henry would add a potential A Grader (Cadmsn or other recruit) and 3 B graders including a quick clever flanker/ winger to our stocks to replace Melky. Only problem is would we be going down the Ssints path and trading and not drafting youngsters which JT is good at picking mostly.

We can play Tmac back if Petty goes forward and succeeds along with JVR. If Turner gies well then even more flexibility is available. And Tommo will be better after a full post ACL season I estimate.

Well he would have had to play 47 games in 2 years A tall order!

Really did you say that the morning after the Grand Final win? JT was not to know about his parents desire for him to return home ASAP. You are trying to say you did it seems. Yes I don't agree with Jacko's logic ( or his mothers) it's his career and another2! Years at the Dees would have rounded him off nicely. But we now must trade wisely snd do the best for our list to be as strong as possible. Care to Make any predictions about our younger listed players Ugo? Or wait till any thing happens in their career.

Blake Needs a good weight program and joining either the wingers club or forwards in preseason

Well he helped get us a Flag and will forever be one it the 23 heroes ! Thanks Dogga

Agreed TA Will always be a hero as are our 23 plus others and like you I saw it all come to life in the fabulous 3rd quarter. Unforgettable memories !! Good luck Jacko Thanks . Over to you JT and Lamby.

So DS he is carrying a pound or two ie fitness and athleticism a problem? Looks worth a chance to rookie as he can be placed on a specific fitness program once our experts ( not DS) have had a look and done some research. Does appear to do what Sam does not ie mark and kick goals !!!

Had nothing to do with crowds as we had a 7-0 result interstate,