Smokey

No-one here seemed to have a problem with it last year when Clarry used it to great effect.

Get what your saying, but it would appear there is too much separation between incidents for that to be relevant. Even with the Hawk's guy being the aggressor in this, the video clearly shows him walking in the other the direction and the Melbourne supporter catching up with him to punch him. Probably no chance of a self-defense argument in this context. Old mate deserved a punch in the head from all reports and I have little problem with it given the Melbourne bloke squared up to his face, gave him an opportunity to defend himself and didn't continue after the guy went down. That's about as civilized as a fight gets these days.

Knocked a beer out of the blokes hands a copped a whack? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Really excited to see Dec take his chance. I think he is a great prospect.

Any hope I had for a win has vanished with this team selection. Really confusing stuff once again.

I thought older generations were known for fixing things instead of throwing them away?

I think our current structures are hurting him more than his confidence. Getting dropped to VFL in itself is detrimental to confidence anyway

No changes except injuries please. We need continuity desperately right now. Disagree sending the weed to Casey. He's at the point of his career now where he needs to be accumulating game time in the AFL, not going back to the VFL and coming back with a false sense of security having played a good game or two in the 2's. He's learned everything he can in the VFL already. Stick fat, he has all the attributes, he just needs more and more games. Hell, some decent i50 entries probably wouldn't hurt either? He is a beautiful set shot on goal, I reckon we focus on having him laced out by our mids/wingers a few times rather than lamenting his bad form when he's only getting delivered pure chaos ball. He will start hitting the scoreboard when this happens. Get behind him, if only that there is really no other hope for his type on our list.

Given there's a few more than 12 games left this year, how about we wait and see?

Sounds like a fantastic couple of reads, thanks for the recommendation mate!

Fair enough, maybe I misread the room. I will admit I don't always read every single post in a thread so if this is the case then that's on me.

Perhaps this is a good interpretation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Pert has been pretty active in various FD engagements as per his interview yeah? I think he said he was just there to observe, but that may be the contentious part. Perhaps he's doing more than just "observing". Who knows. Again, we all know with certainty each way or the other equally, being that we don't really. Again, it's clear my point was misunderstood by many, which is probably my fault for not being concise enough and I accept that. I'm not attempting to directly compare the hierarchies of military units and football clubs, simply highlighting the fact that top end changes can have swift and meaningful changes right through ANY organisation, and I used the military as an example of that. I remain on the fence to whether Pert is accountable in any way and to what degree, I'm simply open to the possibility that his presence could already be having a negative effect on something or other. In this time of great calamity, there should be no stone left unturned I say.

I wasn't trying to directly compare the two, I was simply saying that in some cases a change of leadership at the top can flow down quickly. Both examples do have a hierarchical structure, but my point was much more general in nature. And again, I'm not saying Pert is to blame for anything right now. I'm just saying that it cannot be ruled out because we do not know. Not sure why so many are so passionately against this possibility.

You've completely missed my point, which doesn't at all surprise me.

Yes I'm ex-Army myself, and I can tell you that a change of leadership at the top level of a unit or regiment is almost immediately felt at the bottom. If you reverse engineer the scenario, you must conclude that Peter Jackson had nothing to do with the improvement to our on-field performance.

Not really. It's quite strange to watch people refute this notion with authority when they couldn't possibly be fully informed on the inner workings involving the CEO of a footy club.

Hilarious people talking about putting people on ignore because they don't agree with their opinion on a forum. I'm not in the camp of blaming Pert for anything just yet, but to suggest he couldn't possibly have any influence yet is categorically incorrect. Culture starts at the top and can flow down quicker than you think. Anyone who has served in the military will have a very good concept of this. No-one here is a fly on the wall in the MFC offices, so it's all just speculation in the end.

I'd like to think so - correlation does not imply causation

That we know of ...

By this logic, we should never have got rid of Cameron Schwab then right? Remembering the catalyst for him getting moved on was 2 enormous losses at the start of the 2013 season. We were investigated for tanking with him at the helm, how can you possibly say the CEO has 0 influence over on-field performance? You seemingly have little understanding of how corporate structures operate in practice.

Actually, yes. It certainly is.

Talk about jumping at shadows lol

Please quote my comments around the origins of Norm's sacking for context champ

Extra spicy summation, especially round here. I wasn’t alive during this time so I’ll refrain from commenting myself.

At some point we need continuity. There's no point dropping 5 each week if when you look at every player individually, 75% of them wouldn't have held a spot last year at their current output. Singling out certain players and replacing them with underdone or unproven VFL players gives us nothing, short term and long term. Some people want blood each week, and I get that, but you can't pour from an empty cup. We already have most of our depth players featuring regularly this year due to injuries and what not. Our problem is fundamental across the whole playing group right now, and as a group they need to find a way out of this mess. Random appearances by middle tier Casey players will not help the group heal and move forward. No changes except injuries.