Engorged Onion

Good on you for self reflecting that this thread is ultimately about you and your own relationship to what your expectations were.

Ahhh, I get it (I think) - I think what you're misinterpreting is that those that believed things would resolve, did not have ANY concerns at all. What I am saying is that there are many entitled (ie: we SHOULD have won, ergo, x player is a spud, coach is stubborn) posts - and THAT entitlement/expectation coming off the back of last years Premiership SHOULD mean that we got to a prelim at a minimum... it's a failure to take into account a myriad of other factors. Matter of fact, for those that raised concerns - there should be less vitriol! ps...nothing in this below GIF - just riffing on your Pulp Fiction one. 👌

🤷‍♀️ Those folk are probably not as invested about writing vitriol about players and coaches as some others are, nor the need to respond to try to convince those that ARE writing vitriol to think differently perhaps?? From my vantage point, the disappointment in this thread is understandable, the entitlement and subsequent repercussions required is absolutely astounding though.

Can you be a good coach AND have things to work on and address?

@SaberFang20 points! Ka-ching!

I think there is a thread on here, that you can re-open!

I mean I'm not pessimistic, AND all of us on this thread knows how it will end right? 😂

Say hi from all of us from Demonland!

mmm, we appear to be fairly banged up and knocked around.

are you the real Ben Beams? 😍

Otherwise they'll miss next week!

Well the Dr would be deemed negligent to allow x person to play. I'm not worried.

@Watson11, that's a nicely nuanced response. Sorry, I was probably a bit unclear. For me, I am not delineating between soft tissue and impact injury. I'm discussing what you've termed 'resilience' and people's relationship to pain and thus how it informs pain management and consequently how to manage training with injury. What we know is, is that tissue repairs at a maximum of 12 weeks (ie: broken bone). If pain persists, it is driven psychologically, and that is all down to the 'meaning' that someone puts on the pain experience. Phantom limb pain is a great example of people experiencing pain, where there is no tissue damage (because there is no actual tissue to damage). The extension to this (as I am essentially discussing chronic pain) is that before the decent into chronicity, so 'acute' injury, we know that 'meaning' influences the pain experience. The fear of re-injury is greater than the injury itself. An aside, did you know orchestral violinists experience greater pain than a soccer player, if they get a paper cut? My point to all of this is that, he probably wouldn't be telling the Dr that TMAC 'needs' to train through the foot pain, but it is probably worthwhile exploring the meaning around it for TMAC to assess whether there is tissue damage (eg: inflamation) or whether the felt experience of pain is driven by something else all together. Couple this philosophy with, training through niggles, and then we start to see that windows of tolerance of the athletes get larger both psychologically and physiologically due to their own understanding of how pain works, and that the pain experience can be amplified - and not a true reflection of actual tissue damage. The inverse is true - some dude in the 1989 Grand Final played an entire match with broken ribs (was it a punctured lung as well?). That ability is all about that persons interpretation of meaning of pain... and that interpretation (and thus willingness) would have been quiet different if it was Round 8 in 1989.

Yes, good to tease that out.

I'd hope Selwyn also likes to read peer reviewed journals that help inform his industry (and I am sure he is all over it) , and that Goodwin and Richardson et al, also have a grounding into what underpins why certain philosophies are put forward, particularly if Burgess (which he did) put forward when he first came into the club. If it ever arose, I'd be questioning a 180 turn on philosophy when the science backs something else.

Agreed, and part of Burgess's philosophy which he has historically detailed (which comes from evidence base from both physiology and psychology over the past 10 years ie: Explain Pain ) is for players to play with 'niggles' to increase their capacity (both physiologically and psychologically) to compete whilst experiencing discomfort... it's called stress inoculation. So some of the driving factors of match committee choosing to select players with soreness, is based upon peer reviewed scientific journals, which I for one, value. https://www.noigroup.com/product/explain-pain-second-edition/

I saw this stat a while ago... and all of a sudden I changed my expectation for what happens (for any team) when it's delivered inside 50. "Oh the balls been in 10 times... well that should only be around 2 marks, if that..." Less disappointment and angst, that's for sure. It's a marker of how crucial systemic defence is.

Perhaps Josh is as delicious as what you just described....

That's exactly how 'they' want you to think it works 👌

It sure looked like lower energy. Not sure low motivation comes into it. My take... aside from injuries to players in game yet again. The Swans clearly match up on us very well. And we've known this for years. I'm always a bit cynical and can appreciate some blow back on this thought, but I do wonder about the messaging about 'gastro' earlier on in the week as some kind of preparation for expectation for fans. I'm not sure how else to describe the difference in style and energy between last night (which I saw on TV) vs Brisbane, which I attended live. More broadly back on loading. What I feel you're trying to say is - because of the similarities, it must be the same reason as the earlier match this season vs last nights match. I'd say there are multiple factors including loading for the first and this match was not due to loading, but other in game reasons from a personnel perspective, but also the Swans fantastic game plan against us. Reflecting this morning, for the loss, I was super surprised/disappointed, whilst NOT being surprised based on how 2022 vs 2021 has 'felt' comparatively. Even though we essentially had the same win/loss record, and scored and conceded within 40 points the same amount as 2021, with a far tougher draw.

@Clintosaurus what’s your take mate. All eyes on TVs around Australia? Freo to win? Melbourne to lose (next week), so we’ve then got Perth,Sydney,Brisbane and Melbourne audiences covered ?

Best part of this thread is the match by match interpretations and then the inference of whether he is committed, or what his trade price is.

For future reference - it is Norwegian. 😇

A little article from The Age - feels like it the first interview he has ever given? https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/not-a-chance-you-got-drafted-oliver-hodge-and-the-chapel-street-selfie-20220831-p5be9k.html

Is this illustration inferring that Dayne Zorko just had a chirp at Fyfe?