Rodney (Balls) Grinter

I'll take others word that Weed is a player for the future based on what he has shown at VFL level, but for pretty much all of the preseason comp he has given us less than Chris Dawes did last season.

Given he hasn't got a game at top level yet this year I'm guessing Pedo isn't a realistic Rd 1 option.  Based on output during preseason, I'd play Pencil as the additional tall option ahead of Weed.

If we beat the Staints Rd1... I will not throw my empty VB can at the TV like I did when Montagna took the game from under our noses in the last 2 seconds of that game in 2015.

Yeh, didn't like it at all.  Agree it was paid reasonablely consistently in terms of was paid consistently for both teams (one against Bernie was a shocker though).

How I don't think it is paid consistently though is:

1.  Was paid more frequently against defenders;

2. A huge number of spoils for which the clear intent was to find the boundary, but we're not paid;

3.  I'd also contend that on many multiple occasions players intentionally allow them selves to be tackled out of bounds - in my view this is a soft option and it should be paid either holding the ball or deliberate out of bounds of a player is tackled across the line.

Accept in the most obvious of cases, I really don't like this last touch type deliberate rule.

3 hours ago, brendan said:

Those odds for the saints are too good to pass up, if we get beat at least I can win some money and if we win I won't care about the bet, win win 

I would have to bet so much on St Kilda to get any sort of semblance of satisfaction, that it would upset me when we win.

I know no doubt that Goodwin and co will play it down, but in my mind round 1 is a must win game.  If we are going to be a decent side this season and aim at making finals, then we must put away teams we should beat  (Essendon, Carlton, North, St Kilda, Richmond, Gold Coast,Freo etc).

We win round one, I'm happy - simple.

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

My issue is that Pedo is very inconsistent and goes missing in games.  Weed will also do this but as a 20 yr old I prefer that he get game time because he will be 100 times better player than Pedo in the long run. 

Disagree.  When he is not doing something good with ball in hand, he is putting on good physical pressure and presence, which the Weed just isn't up to yet.  So many punters here have complained about game being gifted to young players in the past in the name of development and due to lack of depth, so what is the difference here?  Won't nessasrily hurt Weed to spend another year in the VFL while he develops physically.

Someone also mentioned Joel Smith playing ahead of Garland.  Whilst I loved Smith's tackling and defensive pressure, he was shown up big time most times when he had the ball and couldn't dispose of it in good fashion or to the right option.  Was great to give him two games exposure at the top level in preseason, but it's either Garland, Jetta, Frost, Hibbard or Harmes come round one for me. 

Seriously, are you people still talking about this?

In terms of the club not being fully open in the media what do you expect -

Club: "we think this is Jack's weekness"

Opposition: "great, let's target that weakness verbally or physically"     

OR

Club: "this is how we want Jack to play within our team"

Opposition: "thanks for passing on your game plan for Jack Watts"

I guess the club could give some kind of BS decoy of a reason, but that is going to be seen through in an instant and wouldn't stop the chatter, speculation and inuendo.  If this were most other player, the dead bat response from the club would have been accepted and everyone would have moved on... Which is what I'm doing right now, only to return to this thread when Jack is either delisted or more likely puts in a blinder, kicks a bag of six and or wins us the game some other way off his own boot.  

Has been a faithful, loyal and sound servant of the club over many years.  I'll go out on a limb here compared to many here in this forum and state that I think his best footy is pretty good.

 It certainly would be a great footy story for him to break his way back into the side 'play his role , and taste some team success. 

So was @olisik happy with Trac's goal kicking and game against the Carlscum?  ...He'd bloody well better be 3 goals and umpteen score involvements is pretty decent showing in my book.

Things which impressed me:

1.  Some strong bodywork and marking - always part of his game;

2. Great lateral vision and finding of free team mates inside forward fifty - again something at which he has always excelled and let's face it we had free players everywhere yesterday;

3. The big one for me was that he really nailed all his set shots at goal.  This is the one area where Trac's game has looked a little shaky in the past (think first St Kilda game last year).  That he has his technique and or confidence going in this area is a great sign, because he is so close to the complete package in all other areas.  Opposition team in 2017 watch out and Demons fans, enjoy the side show.  

I think the approach taken is worth the risk.  Jack had a great season last year and played a pivotal role in many of the great team performances.  But he cannot afford to stagnate in his development.  Should the teams perfoance continue to improve and and result in winning more games, opposition teams will be putting more work into our key players and Watts will be high on that list, so I suspect that he really needs to improve, just to maintain his level of output.  

But I'm hoping that he can improve significantly again to go from good to great.  He has the weapons, last year he showed more desire, but if he can step his level of physicality and competitivness up again, then he could be in for an awesome year.  I don't think Goody being a hard ass should nessasrily crush Watts - he is a big boy now and provided the relationship and respect between Goody and Watts is strong (big difference to Neeld here), then I think that Watts will recognize the reasons for what Goody is pushing, take it on board and accept it as a challenge to rise to the next level again.

After some good improvement last year that has given many optimisim and hope for a truly competitive MFC again, the worst thing which could happen is that individuals and the club sits back and think that it has arrived.  We haven't arrived until we finally get another trophy in the cabinet (or four of them like Jordan!!).  Not settling for mediocrity anymore is a great sign IMHO.

4 hours ago, Abe said:

i was told today that goody wants jack to know that one good year isn't enough, it's not enough to have a good year and get his contract renewed and then go onto autopilot, we need jack to be a match winner and this is a rocket up his bum from goody

from all reports as well his training standards and attitudes have lifted quite a lot in the past month but it seems like a really clever preemptive move by the coaches to make sure jack is breathing fire for round 1 

Is Jack even capable of breathing fire? (Please read  partially as tounge in cheek).

If Jack Watts breaths fire, then watch out opposition - that would be some weapon.

... Seriously though what did Max say though? (asides from the Watts thing), I want to be amused by the master's musings.

On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 5:14 PM, beelzebub said:

Nasher that AFL policy was hollow at best and farce in reality.

We only need 2 jumpers. Our real one and its new sibling. 

Red and Blue

Red and Blue

Not hard is it !!

Now we have ir lets just conveniently forget to ever take any others to games

Go Dees ( that red and blue team ) 

"Forget to ever take any others"?

Stuff that - BURN  all the white ones (just to be sure...).

Along the lines of @Chris's suggestion, what about we hit up My Bulla Alpine Resort??!

...and yes I know it would clash with another present major sponsor.

2 hours ago, barneymfc said:

we will never win a final with tom mac in the the team ,he has more brain fades than lyndon, a few other so called future stars are long way off startdom,bigheaded kids

He is only a backman, they are not the smartest players going round.

Tommy holds his own pretty well though and after a start that had the commentators salivating that he was the recruit of the year, Oscar did a pretty good job on Cloke.

Just now, olisik said:

Am I the only one who thinks we need more out of Trac?

He needs to take set shots inside 50 rather then try to pass them off all the time.

That's a bit harsh for a first practice match isn't it.  BTW didn't he slot through the first goal of the game from a decent way out?

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

means nothing - just a practice match

 

 

 

 

well, someone was going to say it

Agreed, I wish this was for four points, but sadly not.

Necessitaty, interest and optimism aside, bring on Rd 1 - I really want to beat those [censored]!

1 minute ago, DemonAndrew said:

From our best 22 you could argue we were five down - jetta, watts, tyson, frost and kent.

how many were the dogs down? 

Fox commentators were certainly claiming the dogs were down in comparison, but I'm not so sure.  Watts, Tyson and Jetta are big outs for us.

I like Jake's hair.  Good work, has clearly been talking to Maxy.  Let's hope it also transfers to his game play!

So, for what it's worth, my take:

1.  No stars;

2.  Spencer and Smith provided all the right signs;

3.  Somewhat contradictory to the above, we were more dominant with big Max in the ruck;

4. That was the reigning premiers we just played, so that's got to be worth something.

All the right signs at this time of year, which is certainly better than the wrong ones.

1 hour ago, Spirit of the Demon said:

Perhaps not Essendon in a night game. 

Royal Blue 80s retro would be a good option against Essendon away:

 NO WHITE CRAP.

17 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Like anyone associated from that time at Melbourne you never know how much was there fault and how much was other peoples and part of the culture of failure.

Got some decent late picks with Gawn and Jetta, even big Fitz offers more than most late kopicks. Scully and Trengove were no brainers if we didn't like Dustin Martin. Watts might even have been the right choice if developed properly. Gysberts had the talent.

??? Sorry, come again!

Watts now looks like a great choice, though I agree that he may be even further ahead with better early development. Appart from Nic Nat, (who may well have got go home syndrome), who was the other stand out?  Nic NAT would be almost redundant now big bearded one has turned it on and stayed injury free.

Well done to the club thus far for negotiating a much better outcome than the situation first appeared.  This needs to be our one and only clash jumper.

That other piece of (white) crap can be relegated to a training jumper for this year and burnt after that (I'll buy one from the club for the latter explicit purpose myself).  What an absolute joke that the AFL considered making us wear a 'clash' jumper against St Kilda that looks more like their regular jumper than our traditional jumper in the first place.

8 hours ago, Eyes on Red & Blue said:

Angus second from right

Is it the largest shadow?

He does have a rather large nogin that boy!

On 15/1/2017 at 3:19 PM, DemonOX said:

Oh what could have been if they had all stayed in the park. 

They might have all been able to play in four premierships like one of my other favorite players from that era - Martin Pike.

1 hour ago, Pink Freud said:

Strange that you should mention this because when brother Tom started out, I envisioned him as being a potential Glen Jakovich but his disposal ...

is getting better and less unreliable.  I don't ever think that he will be masterful by foot, but if he can get the job done more often than not, I'm not sure he has to be a super kick to be a very damaging player.

My impression is that Oscars disposal skills by hand and foot are even better than Tommy's.

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

This is an interesting phenomenon. Stretch is underrated in a big way by a lot of Dees fans, and I wonder if it's to do with the fact he wasn't a high pick and thus hasn't had a lot of attention from either internal or external media. It's a strange one when you see so many talk about our need for "run and carry" or "spread" but then not think to name one of our best exponents of that.

 

Not sure I agree Stuie.  My perception is that he IS rated by many on Demonland and certainly by me.  Tough, skilled and poised under pressure - injury and form permitting, he's in my best 22.

Could be one to pay dividends, become a mature, solid best 22 performer, delivering all the aforementioned attributes on a regular, reliable basis.  That's the real next step in the development of the team, to deliver the goods over the whole season, rather than patches.