Rodney (Balls) Grinter

Needs to work on his step shot routine. Had he kicked a few of the realitively regulation shots he has and we come pretty close to winning the game.

6. Brayshaw 5. Gawn 4. Harmes 3. Hunt 2. Lockhart 1. Weid (thought he clunked a few good grabs, nailed his set shots and was competitive in the ruck) Unlucky Melksham

Surely Jade Rawlings can be seconded back to the AFL side to straighten our backline out whilst we sort out a full time replacement for Chaplin. I know we want the Casey guys to be well coached and get right development, but the AFL takes precident in my view. Furthermore, I understand that Rawlings probably has senior coaching ambitions of his own, but it seemed incredibly half baked to move him out of his function as backline coach at such a key juncture of our development.

Oscar is playing like rubbish no way to argue against that. But he has the capacity and potential to play much better than he is at present. Frosty was our best key backman last night and I do think he is doing his job. Our defense as a team was atrocious again last night. So many loose Essendon players that took easy marks and receives in defense, which wasn't Frosty's fault. I do wonder if we should just keep it simple and go man on man.

Who here is with US and who is agains us? 3 games we can do it fron here.

When °Nev Jetta gets smashed front on, play on no free kick and then some of the BS that Essendon scored goals off? That's absolute rubish. And some of the crap they scored from. FFS. AFL lift your game.

Get real mate

Umpires have F U C K E D this game

Umpires are a discrace.

This game is gigged

Great sides are full of vanilla players that play the team game. Besides, I don't think either of them are vanilla anyway. Josh is hard and tough-as, which is exactly how we should be playing and I've been pretty impressed with Cory's skills. Time will tell.

I would also like to see him get a game Drunkn, but for now I'd rather he kept developing his form and game at Casey and banning the door down for senior selection. I fear that if he is bought into our current unsettled side, he could become a whipping boy and scapegoat for a possibly bad team performance. Also a need to give Weid a good chance to establish himself within the side and I'd be confident given our present match committee's policy that Declan would be given similar opertunity when his time comes. Liked what I saw of Declan during JLT and just love it when those from the less well trodden pathway into AFL, but full of desire and determination make it as players.

Agree 100% Why it took so long astounds me. It ain't rocket science is it.

Except I don't think the bomb it long to a contest every time is actually the game plan Goodwin and Co have been trying to get us to play all along. Late last year the players started talking about lowering the eyes more headding inside 50, then started executing that well and that's when we played some of our best footy in the run home and the first few weeks of finals. I actually think the bomb it long to a contest is an undesired interim state of our game plan when we are not executing right, rather than the desired intent of the game plan.

Quite happy with the in's this week. The key things I think Josh Wagner certainly offers is hardness and good defensive intent. He is also quite quick and willing to take that game on creatively by foot. I thought Cory Wagner was pretty stiff to be dropped from our Rd.1 performance to be honest. Won enough of the ball as a defender and I thought his use of it was pretty good too.

Completely get your perspective about the difference in levels between full blown cyber bullying and what would more accuratly be described as character assassination or harassment, but personally, I think acceptance of one somewhat opens the door to the other. Why should socioty accept that it's ok to openly and publicly degrade others just because it's electronically communicated and not in person or on a more regulated form of media. I think the point of the MFC campaign is to encourage people to self regulate, but I think we also need to stand up and demand that the social media giants lift their game as well. Far from encouraging civil interactions between their users, the social media giants actually quite actively tolerate a high level of anti-social behavior on their platforms, because it often results in higher levels of interaction with their 'service', which they can then use to sell to their advertisers. It's a rotten unethical business model which needs to be rectified.

Must we set such a low standard for what is considered acceptable abuse of someone. I'm no prude, but I can understand why such abuse online could be more damaging than say a few non-racial expletives hurled over the fence during the heat of battle. In my view it's time Facebook, Twitter and the like faced up to their responsibilities and applied far more heavy handed approach to censorship on their platforms to stamp out what is more anti social, abusive behavior than the social interaction they proport to enable and promote. These platforms can and do set their own terms and conditions, so they shouldn't feel constrained by an obligation to enable totally free speach. Though I sometimes mildly loath the low threshold applied to abusive language here on Demonland, that means I can't use words like [censored], without it being censored, I also respect and appreciate the level of moderation applied to significantly limit the anti social abuse of those in the broader football comunity and my fellow posters. Facebook, Twitter etc could learn a lot from the Demonland moderators about how to conduct an ethical and responsible social media platform.

BTW, I think it's fairly unthoughtful of some on this thread to be so outright dismissive of the cyber bullying problem. Many who level hurtful comments at others on social media get to do so with a cloak of anonymity or the safe distance that being on the end of a keyboard puts them from their target. Such anonymity isn't afforded to the players on the receiving end of a barrage of such hurtful comments, the scale of which the ordanary person will never likely experience. I could well imagine that after a while or even in a moment of emotional vulnerability the effect of social media comments could become deeply personal. I know I have personally made some less than nice comments about individual players etc on this forum and this short clip from the players as well as the broader conversation around hatered and toxic language used on Facebook being discussed right now has given me some food for thought as to how I could do better at times. Similarly in the context of young people, the ease at which bullying could be amplified to a much broader audience with social media and intrude on life 24/7 beyond the school yard compared to in days gone by is quite scary. All well and good to say just stay off it, but social exclusion is a form of bullying in it's own right. When rightly or wrongly 'social' media is the medium for socialisation between young people today, anbsence from that platform is to be somewhat socially excluded. I'm quite proud that the AFL has taken a stand on social issues of importance in Australian society, think there is a role for it to play given the prominent part Aussie Rules plays in Australian culture and I hope it continues to lead on social issues.

Well after 10+ years of being on the butt end of beltings, getting smoke blown up their proverbial all off season and now promptly being cut down at by many after just two games, you would hope that the MFC have developed some good resilience over the years and have strategies to deal with the kind of Fugazi that comes with our territory. How good would it be if we can run through that banner on Friday night, symbolically smashing through the negativity of the past and turn around our 2019 seasons fortunes and decades wallowing in the mire. We can only know for sure in retrospect and it's totally in the hands of those pulling on the red and blue jumpers, but I dare to dream. COME ON THE MIGHTY DEMONS Look forward and act with the ethos of big Jimmy "Whatever it takes"

The guy whow is available that would really like to see in the side that is Petty. He has competed well and looked sound defensively and good offensively as well. But I don't think now is the time to bring him in. I think we need to give the core of the side time to settle and build cohesion and cofidence otherwise we are just making it hard for the rest of the guys that are in there to find any system if key personal keep changing. Rightly or not, I get the impression that Oscar is seen as a bit of a general in the backline, so taking him out of that when we are somewhat in chaos could be a recipe for disaster. Added to that it wouldn't be great for Petty's confidence and development to be bought into a side under siege. I'd give it another few weeks and hopefully once we get rolling more again, I recon we could even bring in Petty as the third tall option (depending on how long May is out for) and let each of our key backs make their case for a continued spot in the side from there. I wouldn't be averse to bringing back May and Lever through the VFL either - bringing back underdone players too fast has killed us over the last few years.

Anyone calling for Frost to be dropped has got rocks in their head as far as I'm concerned. Whilst I haven't watched the game again with a completely calm mind since Saturday, I thought he was our best key position back by a long way. Was good one on one, picked his times well when to leave his man to make another contest, provided good run without over extending himself (and getting caught) and played within his capability to hit good targets by foot. He also applied some good spoils on the last lines of defense. Comparitively I found Steven May somewhat underwhelming, even before he came off injured (was May carrying something all along? Who knows). I'm sure there were some times when Frost got caught out in no-mans-land, but I don't think he can be responsible for that when we played such poor team defense. Our mids had a feild day offensively and in tight, but our two way running was woeful. I forget how many times we were outnumbered 2 or 3 to 4 or 5 - that goal Tomahawk handballed back was the epitome of that.

But then the AFL and AFLPA reduduced the player/club contact hrs even further this year. Add that to our injuries. I'm not looking for excuses, more so that it provides hope that we will dramatically improve our form over the next few weeks. I still remember how many wrote us off last year after the late season losses to Geelong and Sydney, only for us to go on and convincingly beat West Coast and GWL to lock in a solid top 8 position. Zip and 5 would be hard to make much of a season out of (although didn't Sydney make a GF from there a few years back?), but if we can scratch out a few wins from the next 4, then we give ourselves a fighting chance to have a good back end of 2019.

Love it. Great analogy.

Understand this is the Petracca thread, but my point is that in the current context, why does Petracca deserve his own thread and the others not. If the rest of the forwardline was performing well and he was the odd one out in not providing the expected output, then I'd understand. But that's not the case and thus I think it's quite unfair to single one player out above others. It's a saviour mentality that people expect him to carry the team on his back and be a match winner whilst the rest of the team around him plays like rubbish, all before he has really yet to establish himself with that level of capacity. Players take time to develop and mature. Anyone seriously consider that we should trade him should ask themselves - should Richmond have traded out Dustin Martin in the years prior to him fully asserting himself on the competition when he was showing the occational flash of brilliance, but not providing a consistent level of output expected of a player of his physical attributes.

Thanks. Yes I knew that. VFL/state league. It's a really vexed issue really, there have been some great players recruited from the state leagues in recient years. Kelly from Geelong is a star and I think AVB would be seen in a similar light if he could just stay uninjured.