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You can't drop Harmes, he singlehandidly beat STK by himself only a week ago.

This is what causes so much angst with fans and great frustration, it needs to stop.

That's sad if true. I thought Max looked a little lazy on the weekend, I wonder if all of this is affecting him? He was 50m behind Martin quite often around the ground.

I could not have made it any clearer that I was joking...

Isn't that Jeremy Howe fella a good intercept mark, maybe we can trade for him?

I wonder what's happened to Kennedy. VFL form has been pretty handy all year. I have heard from sources close to the club he has attitude problems but I've never met him personally. I wonder if something happened in the pre season because he was a handy player for us at AFL level. Sadly I think it's the end for him now.

My only knock is he hardly ever kicks it and surprisingly his kicking is quite good. Agree, his hands are some of the fastest I've ever seen already. Has come along way in the last year and a great turnaround story.

Speaking of Oliver, how good was the mark he took on the members wing?

Funny you mention that, Ox just mentioned on SEN earlier that Pies players want to [censored] on our parade this week and are pumped for the game.

Collingwood has me very concerned. They have half their side out and nearly beat Crows and Cats, they are no pushovers.

I saw an article last week where they said Oliver was a problem child with holding his opponent

I thought Vince has had 3 fines, ie auto suspension? I must have the wrong player

Nope, they umpired to the letter of the law, unfortunately they need to be consistent, our players overstepped the mark. Agree re Hogan and yes we should have got some in return though.

Yep that's where I have thought he'd end up all along, especially now Gibson has retired.

This would be great if it were to happen. Sydney would most likely belt us but the lessons gained from that final v the best should make the boys hungry for next year and go into the pre-season knowing the level they need to rise to in 2018.

The women's AUS v NZ netball is epic to watch, they don't hold back!

Yep those 50's were dumb by our players, wasn't the umps fault (except Hogans). Makes me wonder if our players are mouthy to umpires, hence the dopey free kicks sometimes that we see.

Yeah I thought this was the case, a good observation from me who is blind as a bat haha. He wasn't injured was he?

Thanks mate, well there you go. I wonder why? He's too handy in the backline now IMO

Agree but IMO Hogan one wasn't there, our players were dumb yesterday

In: Salem, Watts, Viney/Bugg. Out: Wagner, Stretch, Vince - either reported or form. A couple of things for me. Watts, Hogan, Pedo can play in the same side, Watts has to play link man role like Tom Lynch though and deliver into 50, which is what we've been poor at. And Time to move Hunt out of the back-line and up to the wing. I think sides are working him out a bit. Emergence of Brayshaw back there has been a revelation. So back-line for me would be: B: Hibberd, T McDonald, Jetta HB: Salem, O McDonald, Brayshaw C: Hunt, -------, Lewis Vince is an absolute liability back there and has been all year. Also, yesterday, was it only me who noticed, but Brayshaw seemed to spend a hell of a lot of time off the ground. Not sure of his TOG totals but I'd prefer him to spend more TOG. Tom had a stinker yesterday but he was due for one and Garlett stays in, we cant just boot out our leading goalkicker for the year, he's had a tough run personally and he did his job yesterday anyway with 2 goals. He was threatening v North and Port and if it werent for some missed easy shots he wouldn't even come into discussion. Yes his defensive pressure isn't 100% but he hasn't looked right since WCE game where he got injured.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/20/horrendous-umpiring-will-make-significant-finals-impact/

Absolutely agree, needs to be an independent investigation about the inconsistency from game to game, round by round. It is getting unbearable and all fans are confused as [censored]. I think the 50's were there today as our players are dumb, maybe not Hogan one but the holding the balls (numerous) that weren't paid in Lions forward 50 was a disgrace.

The sooner the better.... in: Salem, Viney, Watts out: Wagner, Stretch, ? if we are serious we need our best side out there. Watts can play the Lynch link man rule on the wing. Let's be serious. We can push deep but no without our best playing

How many holding the balls are we not going to get paid!!!??