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Hate to say it but Richmond drew a line in the sand and their leaders/club now stand for something....compared to our soft underbelly. It's hard to see whos going to stand up in the circle and draw the line for the Dee's, pip squeaked voice Jones (who goes missing when it counts) or Viney the kid. Has Lewis been around the club long enough? We lack leadership to go the next step IMO

Look forward to this, I also have a few concerns with his game-day movements and pre-match selections.

It's not about round 23, it's about 9 years of mediocrity. We all know he has skills, but in 9 years has delivered basically nothing. I like him, we need him when he's in form, but I'm also sick of his lackadaisical efforts. The issue is, we won't get much for him, but do we rid our club of these kind of individuals to move forward from the Neeld days? I'm 50/50

It's not about round 23, it's about 9 years of mediocrity. We all know he has skills, but in 9 years has delivered basically nothing. I like him, we need him when he's in form, but I'm also sick of his lackadaisical efforts. The issue is, we won't get much for him, but do we rid our club of these kind of individuals to move forward from the Neeld days? I'm 50/50

Only a joke mate, nothing personal meant. Too nice a day and off to the beach

Late second, early third is my opinion yes. We all know he has talent, but in 9 years rarely delivered. Two top 10 BnF finishes? Very much overrated Demonland favourite IMO.

I heard you and Steve The Man are getting traded out to the Tigers forum and we are getting some clown named Stuie

As for my post, 1st and 3rd (Watts) for Lever is fair IMO.

Lol, well come up with a worse one then haha

Hi DC, yep I'm saying that's all I think we can get for him right now, a late second/early third.

Jeez don't say that too loud mate, the herd around here think he is worth TWO first rounders lol

I wouldn't be disappointed to see Burgan go either

Watts is the 3rd round pick

It has as much backbone as any other rumour, which is zero.

Unsure of final details and bits n pieces thrown around, I'd imagine they get something from Crows? As I said, was just a rumour I saw on Twitter this morning, think it came from Nixon so grain of salt (as with every rumour).

Rumour going around that its Watts + pick 10 to Collingwood for their pick 6 to on trade to Crows. If that happens its a 1st and 3rd round pick for Lever, which is fair IMO. (as long as he's not on $900k per year).

"The Man" lol On a lighter note, yes I do and I want him, but not for two first round draft picks. Rumour going around that its Watts + pick 10 to Collingwood for their pick 6 to on trade to Crows. If that happens its a 1st and 3rd round pick for Lever, which is fair IMO. (as long as he's not on $900k per year).

Who? I didn't see anyone specifically go to him last night at all.

I have heard that Lucas had mental health issues also which may have contributed to him not reaching his full potential. Sad if true and I hope he's doing OK. Too young for having to deal with that crap.

I think Cat's kicking efficiency was probably the sole reason why their key forwards didn't do much, it was atrocious, gys like Lever who plug the holes will always get marks. Does anyone know the disposal efficiency of both sides? One thing that stood out to me and nothing to do with Lever was how quick you can score when not over hand balling the bloody thing, kicking moves it quicker and puts pressure on the opposition. Funnily, the last 3 sides left play this attacking style that kicking as a way to move the ball quickly, GWS Rich and ADEL. Compare that to our rubbish slop chop around packs and we have a bit to work on. Also does anyone have the kick to h'ball ratio for the crows? I think that's how I'd like to see the Dee's move the ball going forward.

And I still would NOT pay two first rounders for them, I would for Rance though. Two first rounders are for Rance, Josh Kelly, Dangerfield or Jeremy Cameron, not Jake Lever.

Agree.

Lol, now you guys are comparing him to McGovern! Did Gibson go for 2 first rounders? And would McGovern? No and No.

Exactly and thats why we shouldn't pay overs. As for Gibson, more often than not he played on all the key forwards and was predominately a KPP. Also, I have watched Lever every game this year, my wife is a Crows supporter and rate him highly, but he isn't worth 2 first rounders.