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On the commentary they made mention of the fact that Hinkley had primed his side to take us on that we were underdone through the pre-season due to so many players having operations etc. The most glaring deficiency yesterday was our defensive spread and is definitely the result of not having a lot of outside speed. It's why I can't see Jones being a long term option to play wing. another comment that caught my attention was Port's assessment that our forwards are poor defenders and that all Port needed to do was be patient with ball in hand and they would be able to find a way to move the ball out of defence. For those that question why ANB and Spargo keep getting games see above. For those that think that when Garlett is fit his leg speed will see him back in the side, see above. I think as others have already observed the one structural deficiency we have is a hardworking small that has both speed and a natural goal sense.

Nice idea Bob, I was considering taking mine to a seamstress and getting a couple of decades worth of scarves turned into blankets!

Absolutely should have been point, I was sitting just to the left of the goals and watched it go through. One of the few occasions I'd ever ventured to Princess Park with my best mate who is a Carlton supporter down from the country. He was dumbfounded and I had a [censored] eating grin like a cheshire cat. After copping stick all day from him about Craig Smoker I was happy to keep reminding him how 'unlucky' Carlton were!

channelling your inner Nathan Buckley!

I actually don’t think it’s that weird. If you read between the lines there’s clearly a number of reasons why he was delisted by the Suns. 1. It seems clear he has no defensive aspect to his game - or an unwillingness to follow the game plan at any rate (you would think that as a senior player this might not go down well with the FD - think Lynden Dunn) 2. Despite getting a lot of the ball he butchers it. 3. We know the Suns were having a salary squeeze and the article alludes to the fact he was on good coin. He would have been happy to be delisted I suspect to pick up a three year contract now rather than the uncertainty of what sort of contract he could get after running around in the NEAFL for twelve months. 4. It’s highly likely their crosstown rivals knew this - so why trade for him if you don’t have to. The Suns win because they free up salary cap space at the same time as moving on a senior player who chooses to run his own race rather than follow team rules.

Josh Kelly.

Is that what you have heard or what you want?

Ex North Melb wore #25 for us from memory

Is he Jamie’s boy?

Gold Coast either have to back themselves in to keep whoever they draft or are resigned to losing them. Cripps is being more than a little disengenuous to suggest that they should draft a Vic because there’s a bigger market to go home to. Players now inevitably get to go to a club of their choosing. He sounds like a playground bully, it also smacks a little of desperation over the fact that they might miss out on one of the SA kids.

It doesn't ring true though. Why put out a public statement about 'due diligence' and imply that there's a problem with the merchandise - when it's actually the price you want to pay. i.e. you're happy to take the merchandise, but this is about being a small man in a big person's world and needing to 'bend 'em over'?

But he says it with such conviction Nash, and we're only really looking to confirm our own bias in this thing after all. I choose to believe in aliens living amongst us - Jesse Hogan is an alien - there I said it!

Is it though? When I first saw it I thought it was pretty far-fetched, but it could have some substance, particularly if the real issue isn't homesickness. We have all conveniently fallen for that reasoning, but do we know it's true? With our list, it's unlikely Jesse could maximise his earnings like he could at either Freo or GCS. The Suns may offer him 6 mil over 5 years if May leaves and they load the contract appropriately (apparently the Freo offer is 4.5 mil over 5 years). God knows with the loss of Ablett and now Lynch they need some sort of drawcard to get the few fans they have to turn up to home games, it ain't going to be Lachie Weller. All this may or may not tempt Hogan (no pun intended), but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility. I could completely understand if Jesse and his manager may not want to ever speak to Freo again after what's gone on (again based on the assumption they were blind-sided by their churlish tactics the way everyone else was)

With Dayne Beams now wanting to go back to the Pies I smell a complicated four way trade involving him Hogan, Neale, Tom Langdon and picks involved.

Yep, and conveniently ignore that if they get a top 3 pick for him next year it will be from the AFL and not the club he goes to and also because they've stunk it up for another year. They are conflating issues. GCS do not want May at the club if he won't commit long term which he won't ergo they have to trade him for less than what they would get from the AFL next year.

I don't think they'll get Lobb, I think he'll go to the Eagles.

I think the draft picks are arbitrary to a certain point in that pick 4 in one draft isn't equal to pick 4 in another. I think all that matters to the club will be for it to get what it needs to get the outcomes it wants ( May, KK and something else)

Probably because it means we have a better hand to offer GWS for Shiel!

Yeah Nah. This from the club that was emphatically not going to trade GAJ and hold him to his contract. It's a millstone around their neck carrying a player they know won't be there the following season. It's a distraction they need to do without. Their tough talk is just that, they will get a good pick for May and they'll do it this year. We're in the box seat compared to the likes of Collingwood and Hawthorn who don't look likely to be able to gazump us - providing May wants to play for the Dees.

Great user name btw - one of my all-time favourite albums!

sounds like SoS is planning on giving up Pick 1? They must really be planning on throwing money at Kelly and Whitfield to stay.

That's true, but is 6 & 10 fair value for Hogan? That has to be the starting point for negotiations for the MFC. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect pick 5 & 6 for Hogan* (3629 points) In other words what is closest to what we paid for him in the first place (picks 3 & 13 - 3446 points) plus our development of him. If we need to we can throw in our third pick this year (ours not the one we have from Adelaide for Lever) likely pick 53 or thereabouts to even it out. Freo may well want to offer us 6 & 10, after they deal with Port but for me that is unders for someone like Hogan. We could do that sort of deal for ourselves. Picks 5 & 6 and our first round pick for 2019 (somewhere between 1,112 and 985 points) for May, KK and one of their early picks (for arguments sake let's say pick 3 - 2,234 points). We could then either use that pick ourselves or trade pick 3 and our second round pick this year (2736 points) for pick 9 & 10 (2864) which is better value for Port than (5 & 22 - 2723 points). It also gives them what they presumably want which is the earliest possible crack at a SA kid. We would then obviously have to use one of picks 9 or 10 ourselves for trading out next year's first pick and look at converting the other pick for players or picks if we have other irons in the fire, which we do. So from a points calculation only ( I wouldn't be inclined to even out the trade with our third pick this year myself). Out. Hogan, 2018 2nd pick, 2018 3rd pick, 2019 1st pick. or Hogan and approximately 1822 current and future points+. In, May, KK, 2018 picks 9 & 10. or May, KK and 2,864 current points. (or in rather simplistic terms it values Hogan as being worth May, KK and about pick 17) Freo lose Neale and their first pick this year, but get Hogan and pick 23 - that seems fair to me (but I am biased). *In all likelihood the draft order will be Brisbane 5 and Freo 6 after Lynch walks to Richmond. + assuming we finish 3rd next year as an indicator only.

You mean Charlie or Max have to change numbers ??

Exactly. We can then look to trade both 4 & 5 to GC and something else* for May, KK and Pick 2 or 3 which we can then try to trade to Port for 9 & 10 or keep for another trade or to use in the draft. I'm not sure why a number of our supporters think that we would have to accept a trade like 5 & 10 for Hogan. If Freo trade Neale for 4 and 22, then ergo Hogan is worth more to them than Neale (because that's why they're trading him). So it has to be pick 4&5, not the 'have my cake and eat it too scenario' that the Docker's supporters concoct. Logically if the Dockers traded 4 to Port for picks 9 &10 before trading with us, we'd be asking for 5, 9 & 10. If they want to keep an early pick then they have to give up either Cerra or Brayshaw who they then have to replace with that pick. * We've apparently sought permission to trade our first round pick next year from the AFL, that probably only works from the AFL perspective if we use a first round pick this year so whether that's 4 or 5 for us to use or to bargain with one of the SA clubs that will tie themselves up in knots to draft one of the SA kids - who will be gagging to get as close to the number one pick as they can.

The number May will wear next year at the MFC?