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Too old a topic to be bothered about. Thanks for the effort though.

I know they had Cripps, Murhp and Gibbs out, but by God they were horrible. We had Vince, Jones and Brayshaw missing, who are similarly important. Kreuzer too, of course, who is a key. But gee I'd be mortified if I was a supporter of theirs.

Without a word of a lie it was the worst game I've ever seen. And I have never seen so many easy dropped marks.

Looked at Parish closely and I'm rapt we chose Oliver. Parish will be a good player in time, but he's a mile off competing against strong bodied mids (who he didn't come up against today).

Moved ball far quicker Spread far better Better setups at stoppages Still poor kicks to leading forwards inside f50 - Viney, Hunt, Oscar, Garlett, etc.

We get it. You're fazed.

Others brought him up.

The AFL investigated the Essendon saga and obviously found Goodwin had no case to answer. As an assistant coach he wasn't in charge of "governance". If you weren't "fazed" I doubt you'd be bringing it up. I'm genuinely unfazed.

Unlike Jordie, you want the ball in Oliver's hands. That sweeping handball on the wing to the player in space epitomises his composure and footy smarts. He's a different type of player, but he'll be as good as Brayshaw. Gawn, Brayshaw, Oliver, Viney, Salem, vandenBerg, Tyson, Petracca will be a formidable group in years to come.

He has a crack and does some nice stuff that gets undone by poor foot disposal. Not sold yet.

32% game time will do that to you.

But he could. He was walking slowly, nut normally in the rooms. The crutches were merely to protect the knee until they have scans.

Like a dinner.

He's not responsible for "the knots in your underpants". You are. As a sign of good faith Hogan extended 18 months ago, but seemingly that's not good enough for you. FFS, the guy has 2 seasons left on his contract and he's saying I'll negotiate at the end of this year. Bloody reasonable if you ask me.

You have the ability to compartmentalise. So many supporters here not reading the tea leaves... He doesn't want to live in Perth (yet), so dismiss the "go home factor" He's "loyal" - a point his manager is keen to point out He only extended his last contract 18 months ago He's only got one season under his belt With two years still to run he and his advisers think another year to show his wares (and confirm that the Dees are on the right track) makes perfect sense There are many players on the list (Harmes, Kent, JKH, Tom Mc, Petracca, etc.) that he is very close to and player relationships is one of the major reasons players don't go He's well aware of his importance to the team and would feel a real responsibility to help make a difference - it might be different if he was 26 and had already given plenty of service I'm very relaxed about the situation.

There's no doubt that without Jones and Vince our midfield looks a bit young and light on, but I'm looking forward to how they perform. It will give Tyson, Viney, Brayshaw, vandenBerg, Harmes, Grimes, Stretch and Oliver a great guide as to how they're tracking.

I'm going to have a far more enjoyable year than you.

If/when he does sign during the next off-season no trend will have been bucked. You rarely hear of other player's contracts being discussed two seasons out. There'd be other players in Hogan's situation right now. Some players only sign on for two years, which is the current length. He might buck a trend if he signs post season in 2017, but not this year.

^^^ I'm going to have to ban myself from this thread...

Just a smart move. Most players don't negotiate a new contract 2 years out. Some do, but if I was Hogan's manager and there was going to be a new CBA I'd say wait too. I doubt it's Hogan's idea, just good management, which is what he's paying for. Unlike Pirlo above, I'm very relaxed that he'll stay. He loves his teammates and they love him.

I believe you.

I'm hoping for many things, but one is no wind. Some of the other games in these sub standard AFL grounds have been ruined by wind/conditions.

Funnier than you realise.

All, but I chose Petracca. I almost feel guilty for not selecting Jesse, such is my manlove, but I already know what he'll do. Can't wait to see Trenners, but I also know his talent (when fit) and I expect him to make a full recovery. Can't wait to see Oliver and reckon he'll show as much as Brayshaw (if not more). But Petracca is a special talent that we've been denied and at 20 years of age, even though it's his first year of playing, he can really make the competition stand up and take notice.

Disagree.