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Poor taste dig removed. Sorry

I think it more than that titan, I think the Government put too much trust in AZ and missed an opportunity to spread the risk by buying more mRNA's

Yes I did read the article. Did you read what I said or are you religiously indignant? What I said was, "It may turn out that the mRNA's have more side effects than AZ, but I think that any vaccine is preferable to getting Covid 19"

Hey Bing that is a quote from the cited article. I didn't write it. I was asked for a source. Don't shoot the messenger.

"Australia joins a growing list of countries to suspend the vaccine over concerns about its safety and blood clotting, despite repeated messaging from health professionals globally that the chances of getting such clots are remarkably low." "Australia has now joined a growing number of European countries to have suspended the AstraZeneca vaccine over the past ten days, including Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Lithuania and The Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Spain." https://which-50.com/government-parks-astrazeneca-jab-following-blood-clot-concerns/ June 25 2021 "Canada’s National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) updated its guidance, now recommending that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna are the preferred second doses for those who took AstraZeneca as their first." https://globalnews.ca/news/7959406/covid-vaccine-mrna-astrazeneca-canada/ There are a lot of mixed messages out there, enough to make me cautious. Neither of these sources are the ones I was reading last week, including from the Canadian governments own site which I cannot find today. It may turn out that the mRNA's have more side effects than AZ, but I think that any vaccine is preferable to getting Covid 19

I hope @bing181 and the others having a go at me are keeping abreast of all this. The German vaccine authority suggesting that AZ NOT EFFECTIVE on over 65's. Not recommended for under 60's in Australia. Not recommended for anyone in Canada & Japan, numerous corruption allegations and run by Scomos mate!

Sorry Binny, NSW is the Gold standard haven't you heard. Liberal pollies have been bleating for months about how good the NSW government has been. We are all just as good as our last stuff up.

I cannot believe that at this stage we would distribute mRNA's before we have exhausted AZ, considering the difficulties they are having selling it to our population. However with this government anything is possible. I have been an advocate for some time that we donate our AZ to countries in our region.

Good point DC, It's actually 65 million by the end of the first quarter next year. Possibly we are using the 2nd generation Moderna 15 million doses as a booster? Leaving 50 million for 25 million Australians. So how many are fully immunised now. I am quite confused by the numbers. In the next 9 months 65 million new doses, they have a shelf life. My guess and it is a guess is that there is doubt about the ongoing efficacy of AZ, that is opinion no facts purely speculation. Edit: I would love to have someone explain the numbers to me.

So Astra Zeneca was seen as the main vaccine for the Australian population. Gradually or should I say rapidly the experts recommend more and more people should not take it. In some countries (Canada for example) they do not recommend it for anyone including those who have already had one dose. So where is the flawed logic? You may continue to believe whatever you like, I look at what other countries are doing too, AZ is on the way out in advanced economies and not because everyone is vaccinated. Edit: Bing, Australia has over 60million doses of mRNA's on order. Why?

I wish. I'm too old. No Pfizer for me.

You guys have a fantastic knowledge of bands, amazing!

I think sixty compared to two warrants many more. Would you prefer 3000% more. I am not anti Astra Zeneca, if there was no alternative I would say it was fantastic I would recommend everyone take it. Personally at the moment I prefer mRNA's and I recognise they are not perfect. I suppose I am attempting to justify my position of waiting for a better vaccine. I accept that any of the approved vaccines is better than none, however I am fortunate that my isolation affords me time. (at the moment) Edit- It would appear that the Australian government agrees, Astra Zeneca being phased out by October.

Kobe Cockshell? Who I believe is related to Kyle Condom.

Half forward line President Johnson Back line Mixed marshal arts

Hopefully by November I will be immunised and able to socialise. If not I will not be attending any weddings, so you should be safe.

Fair points LDVC, however I was referring to my isolation and no local cases ever, to not putting WCW at risk. I am pro vaccination. I want to be vaccinated. We should all get vaccinated ASAP. I happen to want an mRNA vaccine. I would happily pay. The government needs to get on it's bike and improve supply. The reality is that it is supply constraints causing the delay in immunisation not me.

Smarty pants, name calling! How old are you five? Pot, kettle, black. Why are you offended if I choose when and with what I get vaccinated? I am not in denial I am no risk to you and will vaccinate immediately when mRNA's are made available to me. In the meantime I will isolate from risk. If factors change and my risk level elevates I will reassess.

Ok smarty pants and no one has died from COVID, just the complications. Your point is irrelevant

LDVC, I question your basic premise. Where I live there have been no locally acquired COVID cases. Nobody has died in Australia from COVID this year. Two have died (edit- attributed to complications subsequent to taking) Astra Zeneca and many more seriously ill. So from my point of view today I am at less risk if I wait for an mRNA vaccine.

Many are talking about the very low risk of death from Astra Zeneca. There are also the serious side effects to consider that hospitalise but don't kill. Please hurry up with mRNA's we need to be protected with the best vaccine's available.

Nureyev dreams of a comparison with Tulip.

Many good points titan. I hope you don't mind I have put my answers in your post. In italics.

Old Dee you should read the Canadian report, you should be fine.

Extract from the official Canadian Government website. www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/national-advisory-committee-on-immunization-naci/recommendations-use-covid-19-vaccines/summary-statement-june-17-2021.html First doses: What you need to know NACI previously recommended that people who wanted earlier vaccination could receive a viral vector vaccine (AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD, Janssen) rather than wait for an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna) if certain conditions were met. This recommendation was based on a public health benefit-risk analysis comparing the rates of VITT and the risk of COVID-19 while waiting for an mRNA vaccine. NACI now recommends that an mRNA vaccine is preferred as a first dose unless an mRNA vaccine is inaccessible or there is a contraindication, for example, an allergy to an mRNA vaccine or its components. NACI recommends a viral vector vaccine may be offered to individuals in the authorized age group when an mRNA vaccine is inaccessible or contraindicated, for example because of an allergy to an mRNA vaccine or its components. In making this recommendation, NACI considered the recent epidemiology of COVID-19 in Canada, including the circulation of variants of concern; evidence on VITT, including risk and rates, associated with viral vector vaccines but not associated with the mRNA vaccines; Canada's increasing supply of mRNA vaccines; and a comprehensive analysis of the implications on ethics, equity, feasibility, and acceptability. Please see the full statement for the evidence and rationale for this recommendation. If you received a COVID-19 vaccine, you made the right choice. You chose to protect yourself, your family and your community from COVID-19. Second doses: What you need to know Second doses are important to provide better and longer-term protection against COVID-19 for individuals and for the entire community. A different vaccine product may be offered for a second dose, which is known as vaccine interchangeability or a 'mixed vaccine schedule'. Emerging evidence from studies in Germany suggests a potentially better immune response, including against variants of concern, when a first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine is followed by a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine, compared to two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Evidence continues to suggest a first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine followed by a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine has a good safety profile. As such, NACI recommends that an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine is now preferred as the second dose for individuals who received a first dose of the AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD vaccine. Receiving an mRNA vaccine as a second dose also mitigates the rare risk of VITT that is associated with viral vector vaccines. The rate of VITT after the second dose of the AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD vaccine appears to be lower than with the first dose but has increased over time, with current estimates of approximately 1 per 600,000 people vaccinated. Individuals should consider talking to a health care professional to help understand the best option for their situation. Getting two doses of the AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD vaccine provides good protection against COVID-19 disease. Receiving a full series of a COVID-19 vaccine helps protect you, your family and your community against COVID-19. NOTE.This is an extract see link