ManDee

Damn I've forgotten now.

LDVC I had an earlier tete a tete with someone here that I shall not name many months ago on a very similar topic, It is sensitive ground and I agree it should be deleted.

Fair point, I have also focused on recent drafts as I think we are getting better. If the draft age was raised to 20 I think the chances for success would be greater. This would also be a bonus for second level competitions like the VFL. I agree wholeheartedly on the early drafts, they were hit & miss.

Yes Ash, but are you prepared to agree that the Essendon 34 have not been found innocent 2 times as you previously declared? Like early Lance Armstrong they are yet to be found guilty.

I agree Macca the early drafts were a lucky dip, but I think you would agree that the strike rate is better now. Last years top 20 from AFL.com http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/players-top-50 1 Ablett Father son 2 Fyfe pick 20 3 J Selwood pick 7 4 L Franklin pick 5 5 S Pendelbury pick 5 6 J Roughead pick 2 7 Dangefield pick 10 8 Hodge pick 1 9 Boak pick 5 10 R Gray pick 55 11 J Kennedy pick 40 12 J Watson father son 13 T Cotchin pick 2 14 M Priddis pick 31 15 D Heppell pick 8 16 N Reiwoldt pick 1 17 S Johnson pick 24 18 S Mitchell pick 36 19 T Rockliff pick 5 20 A Sandilands pick 33 As I said Macca most of the top 20 players were top 20 picks or father sons.

Once upon a time i would speed on Springvale Rd. And I mean speed, 160kmh twice a day every day for years. I was never caught. Am I innocent of speeding or not guilty according to the law? I know I was guilty but I was never caught. PS:- It was 100mph when I did it. For legal reasons let us presume that the above is a hypothetical.

Ash, do not believe that serpent coach. NO innocence has been found, nor guilt for that matter. If the world governing body appealed a local decision involving you, do you really think that they would pursue that without believing there was guilt to be found? It beggars belief that otherwise intelligent people confuse not guilty with innocence. Was Lance Armstrong innocent all those years or just not guilty yet? That is Essendon.

Then they could start reading this site!

Macca, as I said most of the current top 20 players would be top 20 picks excluding father sons. You name only one that would currently be top 20 and guess what he was pick 20. Many of the others are retired. Drafting is better now but not perfect. Your suggestion of raising the draft age is probably the only improvement that I can see.

She may still be right on Hird.

If the World anti doping body thinks there is a problem then there is a problem. Can they prove it who knows but this is big news! If the media can't understand it that says a lot about the media. The World sporting body is pursuing this, that is a story, there is no way they would do this if they didn't think there was a problem at EFC. NOTE: To the media, get off your lazy fat arzes and do some investigating, stop reading Hirds press releases. This is big.

Tonight at Windy Hill. I think they're burning the shredders.

AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh on Tuesday morning said the association was "extremely disappointed for the players" that the world's foremost authority on doping in sport was challenging the finding of the AFL anti-doping tribunal that cleared players of banned drug use. What the hell does cleared of drug use mean, was that ever stated by the tribunal? In a statement, the Tribunal said it was "not comfortably satisfied" that the players had been administered Thymosin Beta-4 or that they had violated the AFL's anti-doping code. - See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-31/tribunal-hands-down-verdict#sthash.OwPyHW4u.dpuf Not comfortably satisfied does not mean they are innocent! The AFLPA should be taking legal action against the EFC for administering unknown drugs, not being disappointed in WADA. If WADA thinks things are bad enough to appeal to the CAS the AFLPA should be screaming for EFC's blood from the rooftops!

It's amazing isn't it Beeb? The spin, what about "we are surprised but we are ready"? What an appalling dishonest human being, he disgusts me.

Listening to Hird. OMG The players have been found innocent! 2 1/2 years and they are still innocent. We will prove our innocence again! It's a surprise but we are ready. They have been proven innocent and we will prove it again. FMD

Bombers seek soft landing at CAS Good luck with that.

Ethan that goat story has being going around for a while. I will believe it when I see the photos.

As you said yesterday, "And I think that's where a decision by WADA not to appeal might lie. WADA don't appeal losing cases. But maybe hold off a few months, get the positive tests through a new type of test that is being developed, and then they have the evidence they need to get the job done. The next 12-24 hours will be very interesting. Not just whether WADA appeal, but if they don't, what their reasons are." Ash I respect your bravery and loyalty but if they cannot be found guilty that does not mean that they did not cheat. I think they most definitely set out to cheat, and that they destroyed records to cover their tracks. They are guilty I just hope that it can be proven.

That's what I like, mind you firing squad comes to mind, could this be held in Indonesia? Too soon?

Funny that Little was surprised. He should engage Demonland for advice. There are a few on here that correctly predicted this outcome, come on don't be bashful. Well done! How much per post could we charge? Beeb could be rich! Edit: maybe a few sheckles for me too.

The World Anti Doping Agency believes that the Essendon Football Club has a case to answer at the Court of Arbitration of Sport. Surely that is enough to warrant the sacking of James Hird. This is no tin pot AFL tribunal. This is a World body. Sack Hird today!

Where are those smug Essendon apologists now? How disingenuous of Little, "It has really taken us all by surprise," Little told Triple M on Tuesday morning. Surprise, this has been going on for over 2 years and we are within the appeal period. Surprise! Little "I think the strength of the tribunal decision ... and then ASADA determining that they weren't going to appeal sort of gave us the belief that we should be OK ... we didn't do a lot of work on the what if scenario." Oh please, this would have been discussed and planned all along. The PR spin will not work at the CAS. I am reinvigorated, there may be justice after all.