2 hours ago, Greg Schneider said:

Drafting an 18 year old key forward is ‘desperate’? If anything, it’s the opposite you moron 😂 They’re granted more time than anyone. Screams of patience by the club.

Moron… noted, Greg.

When we first drafted him we tried desperately to trade away that pick to avoid having to reach for a tall as was the weird expectation that weak clubs get placed under - so that was not a great start.

But, alas, no, that was not the desperation that I was referring to; the desperation was playing him in 2025 because we seemingly had no worthier options. To play these boys before they are near the outer grounds of being ready, is an act of desperation and counter to the success of a career that was always going to ‘start’ when they were 23 if ever, and now looks more like ‘if ever’ will win the day.

Writing here because he’s Collingwood, on SEN a caller said Elliot signed with GCS on three years, any truth to it anyone’s aware of?

Would be a big hit and make it harder to get BM.

15 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Moron… noted, Greg.

When we first drafted him we tried desperately to trade away that pick to avoid having to reach for a tall as was the weird expectation that weak clubs get placed under - so that was not a great start.

But, alas, no, that was not the desperation that I was referring to; the desperation was playing him in 2025 because we seemingly had no worthier options. To play these boys before they are near the outer grounds of being ready, is an act of desperation and counter to the success of a career that was always going to ‘start’ when they were 23 if ever, and now looks more like ‘if ever’ will win the day.

Jefferson was always ready to play this year and was close last year in the later rounds, performed well in round one before injury derailed the start of his season, even when he featured later on he looked alright and was stiff to be dropped for petty imo

he will feature again next season and hoping he can launch

19 minutes ago, Flagdees said:

Jefferson was always ready to play this year and was close last year in the later rounds, performed well in round one before injury derailed the start of his season, even when he featured later on he looked alright and was stiff to be dropped for petty imo

he will feature again next season and hoping he can launch

I don’t agree and that is fine.

2 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I don’t agree and that is fine.

Agree with you disagreeing.

I despise when people say “injury derailed their season” etc.

Look at Lachie Neal or any of the other champions. They don’t get derailed. They get back on the horse and dominate.

We have a bunch of players who aren’t up to it (yet). I hope he has a great preseason and gets going because not sure how long they play an excellent VFL player and average AFL player.

It’s like JVR, he still is not even close to a dominating forward. Maybe that’s the ball use from our mids to him, but if not he also isn’t up to it.

Kingy hopefully will be able to fix those issues that Goody didn’t.

7 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

Agree with you disagreeing.

I despise when people say “injury derailed their season” etc.

Look at Lachie Neal or any of the other champions. They don’t get derailed. They get back on the horse and dominate.

We have a bunch of players who aren’t up to it (yet). I hope he has a great preseason and gets going because not sure how long they play an excellent VFL player and average AFL player.

It’s like JVR, he still is not even close to a dominating forward. Maybe that’s the ball use from our mids to him, but if not he also isn’t up to it.

Kingy hopefully will be able to fix those issues that Goody didn’t.

You cannot be comparing Jefferson 3rd year key forward and Lachie Neale 2 time Brownlow medalist

But agree on JVR just drops too many marks afl players should be taking but I still think he can become a great key forward for us

45 minutes ago, Flagdees said:

You cannot be comparing Jefferson 3rd year key forward and Lachie Neale 2 time Brownlow medalist

But agree on JVR just drops too many marks afl players should be taking but I still think he can become a great key forward for us

I’m not really, I am suggesting we shouldn’t use injury as an excuse for poor performance. When fully fit, Jefferson still looks lost, same as JVR.

I do really believe it has a lot to do with no real forward support, or other big men and EXTREMELY poor entry into forward 50.

Like I said, hopefully Kingy turns that around, would be great to see what our forwards can actually do with the right entry and support.

3 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

I’m not really, I am suggesting we shouldn’t use injury as an excuse for poor performance. When fully fit, Jefferson still looks lost, same as JVR.

I do really believe it has a lot to do with no real forward support, or other big men and EXTREMELY poor entry into forward 50.

Like I said, hopefully Kingy turns that around, would be great to see what our forwards can actually do with the right entry and support.

I do disagree but hopefully you are wrong next season with a big year from him

But I agree with the not enough support I think that’s exactly why Mihocek would be great to bring in taking the best defender away from guys like JVR and Jeffo, Fristch having a down year affected these guys as he’s meant to be the main figure down there, and if kingy can actually address the abysmal entries inside forward 50 our forward line can actually become dangerous

7 hours ago, Greg Schneider said:

Three years for Mihocek is desperate and embarassing.

I think it depends on the total salary. if it’s let’s than $2M total then I chose to think of it as an extra year to pay it off allowing us to front load etc. list spots are overrated it’s the total salary that you need to consider.

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’m fine with 2 plus a trigger as long as the trigger is >30 games AND >15 in 2027. Ideally it’s front loaded too.

this is pretty much my thinking

i am a little harsher than you in terms of expectations in the first two years in terms of games players, offensive (goals kicked, score involvements, etc.) and defensive output, etc., but i think he's a very good player and am expecting he'll bring a lot to our f50

9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Lazier, softer, has basically never played the position and almost certainly doesn’t want to.

The only positive if he’s contracted, there’s a lot of negatives.

9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Lazier, softer, has basically never played the position and almost certainly doesn’t want to.

The only positive if he’s contracted, there’s a lot of negatives.

I've never heard May called lazy and soft. You don't get an All-Australian blazer (twice) with those 'attributes'. Mihocek has averaged 3 goals every 2 games over his career. I've no doubt May could manage that. My understandiing is that May started his footy as a forward.

10 hours ago, Adam The God said:

Nah, it's just all terrible.

Don't bring logic in.

This thread is classic Demonland.

Posters have been whinging for years that we haven't been able to land anyone. The reason being, other clubs offer way overs.

We are now targeting players that we think will help us, arguably with a deal that's over what their club wants to offer, and some Demonlanders (many of the same posters who have bemoaned not landing targets), are now whinging again.

You can't win.

It's Eeyore season.

If we're to offer overs we'd be better off offering overs to a guy like Flanders who has minimum 7 years left than a guy like Mihocek who will be lucky to play out his 3 year contract.

“I’m fine with 2 plus a trigger as long as the trigger is >30 games AND >15 in 2027. Ideally it’s front loaded too”. Agree with @DeeSpencer

He has to be on a 2 year deal with a “games played” trigger. Wish we had McAdam on a similar deal.