Petracca & Oliver at the Dees in 2026?

17 hours ago17 hr

8 minutes ago, Gator said:
It's relative for ruckmen.
Gawn is not a poor kick. In fact, he's one of the more reliable.
His retention rate for kicks is equal second, along with Rowan Marshall, for all main rucks. As an example, it's better than Tim English.
While his kicking efficiency percentage is only behind English. Granted, it's not a stat I'm mad on, but for rucks it's as reliable as you're likely to get.

Come on Gator. Don't wee on my leg and tell me it's raining. 6 goals from 25 shots this year.

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17 hours ago17 hr

2 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Come on Gator. Don't wee on my leg and tell me it's raining. 6 goals from 25 shots this year.

Goal kicking =/= field kicking

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17 hours ago17 hr

21 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Come on Gator. Don't wee on my leg and tell me it's raining. 6 goals from 25 shots this year.

OK. I didn't know that you're disengenuous. Noted.

When you said, ''Added to that Gawn is a poor kick and Langdon below average'', am I meant to take it that you're also referring to Langdon's goal-kicking ? Or more likely, his general kicking.

You were clearing talking about Gawn's general kicking, and I responded accordingly.

Now you're bringing goal-kicking into it. Everyone knows he's not a good set shot, although 2025 was far worse than most other years.

You were clearly referencing Gawn's general kicking, which is not ''poor'' for a ruckman as you incorrectly assert.

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16 hours ago16 hr

31 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Come on Gator. Don't wee on my leg and tell me it's raining. 6 goals from 25 shots this year.

I’m with Gator. He is clearly a poor set shot at goal but oddly his field kicking is pretty good

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15 hours ago15 hr

1 hour ago, Gator said:
OK. I didn't know that you're disengenuous. Noted.
When you said, ''Added to that Gawn is a poor kick and Langdon below average'', am I meant to take it that you're also referring to Langdon's goal-kicking ? Or more likely, his general kicking.
You were clearing talking about Gawn's general kicking, and I responded accordingly.
Now you're bringing goal-kicking into it. Everyone knows he's not a good set shot, although 2025 was far worse than most other years.
You were clearly referencing Gawn's general kicking, which is not ''poor'' for a ruckman as you incorrectly assert.

Of course kicking includes goal kicking and Gawn is not a good kick. He is fair around the ground and usually takes safe options under no pressure (after a mark or free) but he is not a player we want kicking inside 50 or for goal. He was one of the worst set shots in the competition.

IMO our good kicks are Pickett, Fritsch, Melksham, Chandler and Langford. JVR is an excellent set shot. The rest are AFL average or poor.

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15 hours ago15 hr

2 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Of course kicking includes goal kicking and Gawn is not a good kick. He is fair around the ground and usually takes safe options under no pressure (after a mark or free) but he is not a player we want kicking inside 50 or for goal. He was one of the worst set shots in the competition.
IMO our good kicks are Pickett, Fritsch, Melksham, Chandler and Langford. JVR is an excellent set shot. The rest are AFL average or poor.

And Bowey

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15 hours ago15 hr

5 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Of course kicking includes goal kicking and Gawn is not a good kick. He is fair around the ground and usually takes safe options under no pressure (after a mark or free) but he is not a player we want kicking inside 50 or for goal. He was one of the worst set shots in the competition.
IMO our good kicks are Pickett, Fritsch, Melksham, Chandler and Langford. JVR is an excellent set shot. The rest are AFL average or poor.

Lindsay? Salem? Bowey?

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15 hours ago15 hr

9 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Of course kicking includes goal kicking and Gawn is not a good kick. He is fair around the ground and usually takes safe options under no pressure (after a mark or free) but he is not a player we want kicking inside 50 or for goal. He was one of the worst set shots in the competition.
IMO our good kicks are Pickett, Fritsch, Melksham, Chandler and Langford. JVR is an excellent set shot. The rest are AFL average or poor.

Of course he's not a good kick. An [censored] knows that.

But he's not a poor kick for a ruckman. I said there needed to be context.

This site is getting harder and harder to read. It's beyond pointless.

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6 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:
I don’t know if this has been mentioned previously but this from the Herald Sun, is particularly damning about our midfield and is something that the new coach will have to address immediately.
What makes it worse is this comment re one of our young guns who is being groomed for a future place in the middle:
“Caleb Windsor got some midfield time but the top 10 draft pick was also officially categorised as a poor kick by Champion Data”.
When recruited, Windsor was regarded as a good disposer of the football.

Just goes to show stats can be pretty useless and cherry picked to suit any narrative. I don't dispute our three mids aren't great kicks, however Merrett and Horne-Francis are brilliant kicks. Merrett is amongst the best in the league. Trac, while he can be a butcher, has been amongst the highest score involvement in the league for about 5 years straight now.

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13 hours ago13 hr

21 hours ago, john delosa said:
I’ve never seen Trac himself say a bad word about the club — unless someone’s got actual quotes, this feels more like whispers than facts,
Funny how silence gets turned into headlines. I’ve yet to hear Trac himself bag the club — but in the echo chamber, whispers become ‘fact.’ That’s not evidence, that’s just propaganda with a guernsey on.
If Trac’s been bagging the club, he’s done it in invisible ink.

Actions speak louder than words.

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8 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:
I don’t know if this has been mentioned previously but this from the Herald Sun, is particularly damning about our midfield and is something that the new coach will have to address immediately.
What makes it worse is this comment re one of our young guns who is being groomed for a future place in the middle:
“Caleb Windsor got some midfield time but the top 10 draft pick was also officially categorised as a poor kick by Champion Data”.
When recruited, Windsor was regarded as a good disposer of the football.

Nailed it !!!

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