1 hour ago, Nietaphart said:

GW, that you don’t know.

With respect, taking the subjective high road does not disqualify the objective way.

Fact is I am not able to say unequivocally. Either can you…

At the time I shared on here what I was told by Kozzie and Ardu, that being, amongst other things, that Kozzie wants to stay with us and that he never asked for, nor wanted, a trade.

Short of forcing them to take a polygraph test I’ll never know if they were telling me the truth. And in the absence of a polygraph machine, their word is the best I’ve got.

2 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

With sincere respect, Kozzie never requested a trade. That simply didn’t happen. Easy to say now, I know. But I said it this time last year and “my mail” was Kozzie and Ardu.

LOL of course he did. He may not have handed in a shiny slip saying trade me or else ala Petracca but he certainly had the conversation

Issue is so did ANB Trac and Oliver and club was in no position to let him go

Club said wait a year and he agreed and club did well to turn it around

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if find it interesting that @goodwindees ' recruiter friend doesn't overly rate him

crom are in need of a line-breaking half back, where's flagmantle are not

i'm assuming that the latter is the 'contact' until notified otherwise

2 hours ago, Adam The God said:

And things change. As multiple posters have said now, he wasn't good enough to play midfield having been given the chance.

IMO, he isn't good enough to play midfield. He could play back of stoppage, but it was clear from the end of 2024 that he can't handle frontal pressure.

We saw it again in that final Collingwood game in 2025.

He's an excellent half back with an ability to rebound and to lock down. This is where he could be elite.

He's an asset in the back half, but if he wants to play midfield, the club is sensible in not overstating his value (if that's indeed true), because it's not his go.

Frankly I'm over the Judd Mc Vee will he, wont he, bottom line had 1 reasonably good year and average in other , to be perfectly frank I could'nt care less if he goes or stays, NEXT!

30 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

LOL of course he did. He may not have handed in a shiny slip saying trade me or else ala Petracca but he certainly had the conversation

Issue is so did ANB Trac and Oliver and club was in no position to let him go

Club said wait a year and he agreed and club did well to turn it around

How do you know any of this for sure? You’re obviously believing what the media fed you, and that’s your prerogative. I might also believe what was reported had I not heard differently from the very people about whom the rumours swirled. But even then I wouldn’t reply with “LOL of course he did” when challenging someone who’s telling you what they’ve been told straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

I can only say it a finite number of times before my patience abandons me, which is pretty much right now. You believe what you wanna believe, even if it comes from Tom Morris et al.

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Frankly I'm over the Judd Mc Vee will he, wont he, bottom line had 1 reasonably good year and average in other , to be perfectly frank I could'nt care less if he goes or stays, NEXT!

I think he'll suit King's professed style.

12 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

How do you know any of this for suyou can let it go GW,re? You’re obviously believing what the media fed you, and that’s your prerogative. I might also believe what was reported had I not heard differently from the very people about whom the rumours swirled. But even then I wouldn’t reply with “LOL of course he did” when challenging someone who’s telling you what they’ve been told straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

I can only say it a finite number of times before my patience abandons me, which is pretty much right now. You believe what you wanna believe, even if it comes from Tom Morris et al.

you can let it go GW History shows you got it right. Save your efforts for all you do for us in the future.

9 minutes ago, dpositive said:

you can let it go GW History shows you got it right. Save your efforts for all you do for us in the future.

Thank you dpositive :) You’re right. I should let it go, and I’m trying to improve in that respect. I probably shouldn’t engage on DL at all when I’m dealing with the challenges that present from time to time with regards to my son’s mental health at which times I’m hyper-sensitive. Sadly though, DL is a haven at times such as this, an escape if you will 🤷‍♀️

I’ll take your advice onboard <3

6 hours ago, sue said:

Possibly. But I wouldn't compare anyone's 'mail' about a player to a face to face interation with that player.

Depends, some people have good mail from industry contacts whereas I would take anything a player said to a supporter with a grain of salt, they may be telling the truth but they also have a vested interest.

I don't think anyone disputes people pass on the information they hear in good faith (whether people with contacts or supporters speaking directly to players) but people need to make their own assessment as to whether to believe the source (contact/player) of that information. I'm sure any reasonable person could understand why someone may have reservations about believing everything a player says to a supporter about their contract status.

6 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Imagine if you let every player at your club demand to play whatever position they wanted, and acquiesced to it.

That’d be superb coaching! Just the way to run a good footy club!

Christ almighty.

Discussing a players development at an exit meeting/offseason and then refusing to implement that plan isn't letting players choose where they play. Perhaps we could continue rolling with Oliver Viney Petracca as our predominant mids, that certainly worked out well for Goodwin didn't it 🙄

You can't give a kid 5 minutes and then pull the pin. It's called development something we've been poor at for a while now.

There was literally an afl feature after Kozzie resigned that essentially said that Kozzie went up to his new manager and said “get me to Freo.” It was his manager that was like “hold on a sec, look at these guys who went back to WA and their careers failed” and started working to get the money to a point where WA wasn’t even in the picture anymore.

When that information is coming straight from the manager how are we supposed to believe that he never wanted out just because that’s what he told fans?

Fans love to stick their head in the sand and pretend that anything they don’t like is fake news. Can’t rationalise that just because something eventuates, doesn’t mean it wasn’t true at the time. Especially when it’s coming from guys like Twomey who just find make things up.

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God I love the Media. Have I said that before? Fancy having a job (hmm) where you go to the office and you look over shoulders to see what they are writing and ringing. Then you talk to your best co worker and find out what they are hearing and make up a couple of lies to them, and then you have a coffee and make up a story from the lies you heard

6 hours ago, mmwd6 said:

Fans love to stick their head in the sand and pretend that anything they don’t like is fake news. Can’t rationalise that just because something eventuates, doesn’t mean it wasn’t true at the time. Especially when it’s coming from guys like Twomey who just find make things up.

Far too many AFL fans operate in a binary world, where they are unable to understand what can be true in say, December of 2024, is no longer accurate 12 months down the track (despite still being 'true').

I like to make the analogy that I can, right now, say that tonight I'll be attending Store 'A'. I have every intention to attend Store 'A', as it stands. However, 6 hours from now Event 1 may prevent me from attending Store 'A' and as a result I do not attend. That does not take away from my previous intention, and it does not takeaway from my explicit decision from the morning to attend Store 'A'. When you're dealing with human decision making, there's irrevocably a high chance that what is true at a particular point in time regarding a decision, may not have the same output, especially when you're looking at a decision making process over a protracted period of time (i.e., 12 months plus).

Information creep in the football landscape is real, but many arbitrarily deduce decisions to simple correct/false narratives. Personally I'm very sceptical if the AFL community will ever get to a point of maturity that we see in other sports, particularly with reference to trade and free agency. I don't think it's in the psyche of the AFL as entity, nor in the psyche of the ordinary AFL supporter. Overall I think there's an infantile romanticism associated with 'loyalty', 'one club players' etc, even with the addition of Free Agency.

Like you said, Twomey and a few others are highly credible; it's pretty disingenuous the constant noise that's made about media reporting (really, one of the reporters I would take with an absolute grain of salt is Sam McLure; however, I still wouldn't necessarily say he deliberately spreads 'misinformation'). But it's classic, you rarely see posts critiquing our interest in players at other clubs, however when those very same reporters publish on a matter pertaining to the MFC which isn't seen in a 'positive' manner, it becomes media BS, lies, deliberate and vexatious reporting etc.

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