Brisbane did it against us last season at the G and it was effective for most of the game. It was late in the 4th when they tried to ice the game and slowed their ball movement that we got back into the contest

3 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

And the few times we do switch from the full back line, the second and third overlap players aren’t there for it to succeed, instead the first receiver on half back stops and has to identify a target as the opposition floods back. We don’t seem to have a set play for it, where a number of players would know to just run to space as soon as they see the first move. 

When I played in the Amateurs, we had a coach who continually reminded us... “It’s a running game!”

It was then, and it’s even more-so now. Unfortunately our boys don’t yet get it.

Good vision last night on footy classified showing how the Dees continuously ignore short hit up leads in good positions to bomb it long to contests 

Viney particularly guilty

happens so regularly it has to be instructions

All on the coach

20 hours ago, jnrmac said:

George

What I saw in Sydney was the few times we tried to switch we then stopped thus allowing Sydney to move across to cover us. If you switch it has to be done swiftly with the next two or three in the chain. At worst hopefully you get a stoppage on the wing or HFwd line. At best you can cut back into the middle to enter the F50.

We broke down because we were slow in moving it and/or honouring the lead up the ground. Sydney on the other hand kept the ball moving once they switched. 

Players like Jordon for us were masters at holding up the chain. He nearly always stopped and propped So much so that it must be to instruction. 'Don't kick to a one on one, wait till the cavalry arrive' 

I think that is part of Simon's defence first mantra but its worn thin and is now too predictable.

Switching has to have an end result.  It used to because you could get an entry into the 50m arc rather than a kick down the line to contest.  It simply doesn't happen against good teams any more. 

Kicking across the ground to a contest on the opposite wing, which we saw in Sydney, is pointless.  The result is the same as kicking down the line. It may move the zone on the MCG, but they don't have to run as far on the SCG. 

The trend for the better teams is to switch left, then back again to move the zone.  And then do it again....The two or three kicks needed to get it to the opposite side, as per the traditional switch, is simply too slow for the way the winning teams play. We did it to Sydney, they did it to us. 

When watching the game, don't look at the ball when a team tries to switch.  Look at the HBF for the opposition, and you will see if the switch is going anywhere long before the ball gets there, as the opposition will have it covered or not.

52 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Good vision last night on footy classified showing how the Dees continuously ignore short hit up leads in good positions to bomb it long to contests 

Viney particularly guilty

happens so regularly it has to be instructions

All on the coach

I think it’s our mentality and bad decisions with the ball 

we have no ingrained plan that dominates or we go to under pressure. That why we are never a good chance to get a last goal in the minute and a half  in the Semi last year. Not either trained to do it or are not good at it. I would have placed Kossie in the centre in that last bounce as he is the one who gains space on his opponents to do a long kick to the danger area. 

There is so much of previous success patterns still being trotted out it’s so disappointing and frightening. And to be honest what has happened to the Carlton practice round style, disappeared under pressure it looks like. 
no new Mini discernible  patches in style to add a layer to our style either. And Stafford clueless it appears although the track watchers sometimes see some training type of plan that is different but never surfaces in a match. 
About time we got an outsider to do our forward and ruck game plans. 

30 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Switching has to have an end result.  It used to because you could get an entry into the 50m arc rather than a kick down the line to contest.  It simply doesn't happen against good teams any more. 

Kicking across the ground to a contest on the opposite wing, which we saw in Sydney, is pointless.  The result is the same as kicking down the line. It may move the zone on the MCG, but they don't have to run as far on the SCG. 

The trend for the better teams is to switch left, then back again to move the zone.  And then do it again....The two or three kicks needed to get it to the opposite side, as per the traditional switch, is simply too slow for the way the winning teams play. We did it to Sydney, they did it to us. 

When watching the game, don't look at the ball when a team tries to switch.  Look at the HBF for the opposition, and you will see if the switch is going anywhere long before the ball gets there, as the opposition will have it covered or not.

You must have watched a different game to me.

Sydney generated a lot of their fwd play by switching from the back half. We seemed mostly unable to stop it. 

We on the other hand only tried it a few times but lack of player movement up the ground and slow movement from the kicker allowed the Swans to cover us.

We continually eschewed short hit up kicks (as per the vision on Footy Classified last night) which is vital to 'fast' ball movement. We are obsessed with getting jamming the ball into the fwd 50 any way we can. So much so that players barely make a lead towards the kicker. If you do it 3 or 4 times and get ignored then you stop doing it.

Its not working for us and shows little has changed since the finals. I'll reserve judgement until we see more after the Dogs game at the G but if things don't change it is a bad sign for us in 2024

25 minutes ago, 58er said:

I think it’s our mentality and bad decisions with the ball 

we have no ingrained plan that dominates or we go to under pressure. That why we are never a good chance to get a last goal in the minute and a half  in the Semi last year. Not either trained to do it or are not good at it. I would have placed Kossie in the centre in that last bounce as he is the one who gains space on his opponents to do a long kick to the danger area. 

There is so much of previous success patterns still being trotted out it’s so disappointing and frightening. And to be honest what has happened to the Carlton practice round style, disappeared under pressure it looks like. 
no new Mini discernible  patches in style to add a layer to our style either. And Stafford clueless it appears although the track watchers sometimes see some training type of plan that is different but never surfaces in a match. 
About time we got an outsider to do our forward and ruck game plans. 

In the final against Carlton our leaders failed. Its as simple as that. Lever with the ball at CHB and 90 secs on the clock.

You should not lose games like that because you turn the ball over.

Every decent coach from u12s teaches in one side out the other, drills are based around bring the ball out the fat side of the ground, that is where the space is.

To do this you need players working hard to that side, the ability to hit a low hard 35m kick and the courage to do it.  Our problem is the last 2, our players work rate is high, or skill and therefor  courage to hit the kick is low.

Strange, when we had no expectations on us in 2021 we took that kick on, now there is expectations that we win we play safe football.