5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Do you think any of these examples are cheating?

1. Two players are close to the boundary line with the ball on the ground. One deliberately flicks the ball on to the other player's boot with the intent that the ball go out of bounds on the full, thereby gaining a free kick.

2. A player with the ball is being chased down from behind. Just before he is tackled he hand-passes the ball in front of him to no-one, thereby earning a free kick.

3. When a ball is about to be bounced in the centre of the ground, one wingman pushes the other wingman into the centre square. The umpires don't see the push but see the fifth player in the square and pays a free kick to the pusher's team. 

1. Gamesmanship - but certainly NOT the intention of the OOB on the full rule.  Not sure how it can be changed, unless (radical change) the guy who flicks it onto the other's boot gets a deliberate paid against.  Very hard to adjudicate.  IMO those should be regarded as "incidental" and the ball thrown back in.

2.  Surely this is an extension of the Kevin Bartlett rule and he should be regarded as still in possession?

3. Cheating - heavy fines in retrospect should be paid, and if any of the multitude of maggots (2 goal, 4 boundary, 3+emergency field) see it they should call it out immediately.  It would stop very quickly.

 

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Its more than having to pretend. Under a legislative scheme in Victoria, the AFL has to satisfy the gambling regulator that it has integrity measures in place and that they are properly enforced. Once the regulator is satisfied, all betting companies trading in Victoria have to come to an agreement with the AFL before they can take bets on any AFL activity. Of course, the AFL charges those betting companies for such agreements. I assume, as a minimum, the money the AFL gets from the betting companies covers the costs of the AFL managing its integrity processes. 

Wink, wink; nod, nod.

1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

Where do you stand on this question?

Both are above the shoulders and I see no ducks so both are frees.

19 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

2.  Surely this is an extension of the Kevin Bartlett rule and he should be regarded as still in possession?

 

 

 

kevin bartlett rule was different

he didn't handball away

he threw the ball forward as in a bounce just as he was about to be tackled. it was an effective way to dodge around a player and play on, or to draw a free kick. bartlett actually most times did bounce it properly whereby he could receive it. As other players copied this unfortunately they just threw the ball forward and propped, and it be came a mockery and a farce.

this was an interpretation change issued by the afl (vfl then) wherby you were not deemed in possession during the bounce, to reduce scimmages and get more ball flow (esp for the more skilled players) same as for the flick pass. Both interpretation changes had short lives......though some might argue the flickpass has virtually returned.

Edited July 28, 20222 yr by daisycutter

As I've made clear above, I don't think playing for frees is cheating. On the other hand, subbing players out of the game because of injury and then having that player available to play the following week surely and sorely tests the sub rule. I see Adam Treloar was subbed out last week and is apparently going to play this week. That's an abuse of the rule as it gave the Bulldogs fresh legs in Q4. The AFL should either get rid of the sub altogether or make it a hard and fast rule that a player subbed out must not play again for the next 12 days. 

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

As I've made clear above, I don't think playing for frees is cheating

What about the umpires?  Cheats?

Had a read of the game day thread lately, LDvC?  haha

15 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

As I've made clear above, I don't think playing for frees is cheating. On the other hand, subbing players out of the game because of injury and then having that player available to play the following week surely and sorely tests the sub rule. I see Adam Treloar was subbed out last week and is apparently going to play this week. That's an abuse of the rule as it gave the Bulldogs fresh legs in Q4. The AFL should either get rid of the sub altogether or make it a hard and fast rule that a player subbed out must not play again for the next 12 days. 

That aged well. Not.

What do you reckon @layzie

Are the umpires cheating? If not, can you do us all a favour and go on to the game day thread (as you've done here) and point out that the umpires do not cheat

You and @La Dee-vina Comedia

I look forward to seeing your comments and thanks in advance!! haha

So the players aren't cheating but the umpires are?  Is that right?

Edited July 29, 20222 yr by Macca

22 minutes ago, Macca said:

What do you reckon @layzie

Are the umpires cheating? If not, can you do us all a favour and go on to the game day thread (as you've done here) and point out that the umpires do not cheat

You and @La Dee-vina Comedia

I look forward to seeing your comments and thanks in advance!!

So the players aren't cheating but the umpires are?  Is that right?

It's definitely a gripe I have with the game day thread. That's for sure. 

20 minutes ago, layzie said:

It's definitely a gripe I have with the game day thread. That's for sure. 

Without people like you there I wouldn't bother with it (game day thread)

Keep up the good info as I can often only listen in to our games (replay watching later)

But even I'm not game enough to take on the umpire lambasters on the game day thread ... I just scroll past or put them on ignore

And they never make any comments about the actual game.  Which is quite odd

Edited July 28, 20222 yr by Macca

We can't all be fully/partially/fractionally wrong

47 minutes ago, Macca said:

What do you reckon @layzie

Are the umpires cheating? If not, can you do us all a favour and go on to the game day thread (as you've done here) and point out that the umpires do not cheat

You and @La Dee-vina Comedia

I look forward to seeing your comments and thanks in advance!!

So the players aren't cheating but the umpires are?  Is that right?

I've always said and still firmly believe that the umpires do not cheat. I also believe it's time the AFL did a wholesale review of the complete set of rules to rewrite them to remove as much ambiguity as possible. It is fundamentally a game that has become too hard to umpire. In my view, the rewrite is a 5 year job, not a tinkering between seasons. 

I avoid the gameday thread for two reasons. Firstly, I'm too busy watching the game and don't need the distraction. And, secondly, it's the gameday thread! It's too emotional and a dangerous place. It's like QAnon meets the collected works of Mark Robinson.

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I've always said and still firmly believe that the umpires do not cheat. I also believe it's time the AFL did a wholesale review of the complete set of rules to rewrite them to remove as much ambiguity as possible. It is fundamentally a game that has become too hard to umpire. In my view, the rewrite is a 5 year job, not a tinkering between seasons. 

I avoid the gameday thread for two reasons. Firstly, I'm too busy watching the game and don't need the distraction. And, secondly, it's the gameday thread! It's too emotional and a dangerous place. It's like QAnon meets the collected works of Mark Robinson.

You are right and I agree with what you've said there

Anyway, it's going to be very interesting to see how they go about policing the new high tackle rule

In my view they (the umps) are going to make some errors (forced mistakes) but we need to look at the overall ... i.e. take the good with the sometimes bad

Good reply LaDee

 

26 minutes ago, Macca said:

Without people like you there I wouldn't bother with it (game day thread)

Keep up the good info as I can often only listen in to our games (replay watching later)

But even I'm not game enough to take on the umpire lambasters on the game day thread ... I just scroll past or put them on ignore

And they never make any comments about the actual game.  Which is quite odd

Are you sure about that Macca? Some of the stuff I spout in that thread is as if it's from some tortured eccentric artist. 😛

But it is tiring, the first comment about the umpires usually comes 4 mins into a game. 

22 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I've always said and still firmly believe that the umpires do not cheat. I also believe it's time the AFL did a wholesale review of the complete set of rules to rewrite them to remove as much ambiguity as possible. It is fundamentally a game that has become too hard to umpire. In my view, the rewrite is a 5 year job, not a tinkering between seasons. 

I avoid the gameday thread for two reasons. Firstly, I'm too busy watching the game and don't need the distraction. And, secondly, it's the gameday thread! It's too emotional and a dangerous place. It's like QAnon meets the collected works of Mark Robinson.

Yeah nailed it La Dee-vina. The band aids and sticky tape solutions have done their dash.

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Are you sure about that Macca? Some of the stuff I spout in that thread is as if it's from some tortured eccentric artist. 😛

But it is tiring, the first comment about the umpires usually comes 4 mins into a game. 

Your good self, Andy, P-man, chook and a few others keep us well informed, layz

Need more footy actual input though ... lots more!  Scores would be handy sometimes

Edited July 29, 20222 yr by Macca