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9 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Felt like I was going to brea out in a fever and had this really discomforting feeling on my skin. Only lasted for about 1 hour and I would rather feel sick for a couple of hours than put up with all the [censored] of lockdowns and basic human rights being thrown out the window. Bring on that 2nd jab.

And also, you know, getting a debilitating  disease…

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    On 7/21/2021 at 5:47 PM, Pollyanna said:

    I'm no Morrison fan, but Waleed makes an excellent point in this article:

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/fool-s-gold-believing-the-hype-nsw-ignored-lockdown-lessons-20210716-p58a80.html

    "The federal government could easily have decided that, given the urgency of vaccination, and the risks to public health inherent in a pandemic, it will proceed with AstraZeneca anyway.

    But consider what would have happened in that case. Eventually someone young would die. Then imagine the ensuing media scrum: “Prime Minister, why did you ignore ATAGI’s advice? What do you say to the family? Do you have blood on your hands?” There’s every chance the public anger would outweigh the frustration we’re seeing now over lockdowns."

    Thats quite a good read from Waleed. Agree with almost all of it.

    I'm one of those who cancelled my first Astra Zeneca shot, something that my 80yr old parents have been up me about since I did it.

    Im totally against vaccination passports etc, but I will also line up willingly to get the jabs once my preferred vaccine is available (or the A.Z if my folks can browbeat me into it).

     

    Pity the poor bastards who are losing their lifes work over these lockdowns though. If only the A.Z jab didn't claim those poor peoples lives. And in the end, I can't really whine about it, because I'm one of the gun shy folk when it comes to A.Z

    Still think we should double down on the high risk age groups then open the country and tell people it's the jab or roulette.

    12 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Thats quite a good read from Waleed. Agree with almost all of it.

    I'm one of those who cancelled my first Astra Zeneca shot, something that my 80yr old parents have been up me about since I did it.

    Im totally against vaccination passports etc, but I will also line up willingly to get the jabs once my preferred vaccine is available (or the A.Z if my folks can browbeat me into it).

     

    Pity the poor bastards who are losing their lifes work over these lockdowns though. If only the A.Z jab didn't claim those poor peoples lives. And in the end, I can't really whine about it, because I'm one of the gun shy folk when it comes to A.Z

    Still think we should double down on the high risk age groups then open the country and tell people it's the jab or roulette.

    On your last point - we inevitably will.

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    1 minute ago, rpfc said:

    On your last point - we inevitably will.

    ...but only after everyone has had their chance to get vaccinated surely.

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    5 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    No way Vic goes 7 weeks without another breakout..

     

    … especially when there’s anti-lockdown protests planned for tomorrow. ? 


    25 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

    … especially when there’s anti-lockdown protests planned for tomorrow. ? 

    Surely you can see why many people are fed up with being locked up?

    Lost businesses, homes, families etc. And the vast majority of those people are at almost zero chance of dying from covid.

    25 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Surely you can see why many people are fed up with being locked up?

    Lost businesses, homes, families etc. And the vast majority of those people are at almost zero chance of dying from covid.

    ...and a lot of them are agitators & conspiracy theorists who refused to wear masks when mandated. They thought it was against their 1st amendment rights.

    This has been hard for everyone but we will never truly know what the impact would have been if we hadn't locked down.

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    43 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Surely you can see why many people are fed up with being locked up?

    Lost businesses, homes, families etc. And the vast majority of those people are at almost zero chance of dying from covid.

    Of course I can see why people are fed up with lockdowns. I’m fed up with lockdowns as much as anyone. But what good comes out of protesting in large groups? What purpose is served? These imbeciles are running the risk of their behaviour potentially causing infection which would lead to more of very thing they’re protesting against… further lockdowns! I’m all for peaceful demonstrations for good reason but there are way more appropriate alternatives to gathering in large groups (with no masks, nor social distancing, to boot!). How about online petitions? Or emails? Or even a good old-fashioned hand-written letter?

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    15 minutes ago, rjay said:

     we will never truly know what the impact would have been if we hadn't locked down.

    But we can hazard a pretty bloody good guess! Coz there’s no shortage of jurisdictions the world over that can be shown as examples of what happens when lockdown isn’t enforced. 

    1 hour ago, rjay said:

    ...but only after everyone has had their chance to get vaccinated surely.

    Of course, but rjay my old electronic friend, 20-30% of the eligible country will refuse the jab even when offered (in the US the anti-vaxx movement has become a political identity tied to the right and they are struggling to get past 60% - even Fox News are retreating their messaging it’s that big of a problem) and that will mean sickness and death and i know we have to open up even with a quarter of the country willingly vulnerable.

    I am just a worried dad with a 16 month old that knows a disease will be out there that he has no protection against and is just a unfortunate chance encounter away from testing his fate against a disease ‘we’ could get rid of in a year but won’t because of hubris, disinformation, ignorance and malevolence.

    Sigh.

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    46 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Surely you can see why many people are fed up with being locked up?

    Lost businesses, homes, families etc. And the vast majority of those people are at almost zero chance of dying from covid.

    "Almost zero"? Fatality rate of covid seems to be 1-5% which is pretty high. Imagine 1,000-5,000 people dying at the MCG on grand final day.

    One thing that is very clear is that the fatality rate increases when hospitals are overloaded, which is why we are trying to keep cases low.

    But if you only look at fatality rates you are underestimating the issue. The personal (and economic) costs of covid is more than just the thousands who would die. It is the tens of thousands who would suffer covid symptoms for months, perhaps permanently, with "long covid". People in their 30s might not die, but there is a high chance they'll have long term respiratory system damage.

    https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/long-covid

    This is why most people aren't being selfish, and are staying home as asked.

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    6 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

    Of course I can see why people are fed up with lockdowns. I’m fed up with lockdowns as much as anyone. But what good comes out of protesting in large groups? What purpose is served? These imbeciles are running the risk of their behaviour potentially causing infection which would lead to more of very thing they’re protesting against… further lockdowns! I’m all for peaceful demonstrations for good reason but there are way more appropriate alternatives to gathering in large groups (with no masks, nor social distancing, to boot!). How about online petitions? Or emails? Or even a good old-fashioned hand-written letter?

    Ah, the union movement has built its entire business on this very method.

    They are not all "imbeciles" (granted some my reach these heights). Many just want to keep their business open and pay their mortgage.

    And we don't get to choose what others think is a "good reason" to protest when their livelihood is being taken away.

    Just now, deanox said:

    "Almost zero"? Fatality rate of covid seems to be 1-5% which is pretty high. Imagine 1,000-5,000 people dying at the MCG on grand final day.

    One thing that is very clear is that the fatality rate increases when hospitals are overloaded, which is why we are trying to keep cases low.

    But if you only look at fatality rates you are underestimating the issue. The personal (and economic) costs of covid is more than just the thousands who would die. It is the tens of thousands who would suffer covid symptoms for months, perhaps permanently, with "long covid". People in their 30s might not die, but there is a high chance they'll have long term respiratory system damage.

    https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/long-covid

    This is why most people aren't being selfish, and are staying home as asked.

    You guys might be reading me wrong. I agree that Covid is a serious illness and I really do wish that the vaccine rollout and hotel quarantine was handled much better.

    I also understand why some are desperate for the lockdowns to end.

    Is that really so hard to understand?

    1 minute ago, faultydet said:

    Ah, the union movement has built its entire business on this very method.

    They are not all "imbeciles" (granted some my reach these heights). Many just want to keep their business open and pay their mortgage.

    And we don't get to choose what others think is a "good reason" to protest when their livelihood is being taken away.

    Protesting in large crowds will do a grand total of exactly zero towards them keeping their businesses open and/or paying their mortgages. That total again… ZERO. 

    Just now, WalkingCivilWar said:

    Protesting in large crowds will do a grand total of exactly zero towards them keeping their businesses open and/or paying their mortgages. That total again… ZERO. 

    It wont be a large crowd. And Politicians ALWAYS take note of protests, regardless of how insignificant individuals may think they are.

     

    So it's not ZERO. Might be very low %, but never zero.


    5 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    You guys might be reading me wrong. I agree that Covid is a serious illness and I really do wish that the vaccine rollout and hotel quarantine was handled much better.

    I also understand why some are desperate for the lockdowns to end.

    Is that really so hard to understand?

    No, I can understand.

    I understand the damage caused by lockdown quite personally, I feel for everyone affected, and think the governments need to do more to help. So if you are empathising with their position, but understand it is dangerous, then say that.

    At the moment it feels like you might be advocating for them, but obviously that just could be the problem with interpreting text on the internet.

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    3 minutes ago, rpfc said:

    even Fox News are retreating their messaging it’s that big of a problem) 

    It's a huge problem over there & unfortunately we have our share of mindless followers...

    I hope all goes well for you & the family 'rpfc' and you all get through this in good health.

    6 hours ago, Jaded said:

     If she gets to miss out, then so does Bob in NSW who wants to go to Prada tomorrow. 

    To be fair Bob does look fabulous in a Prada scarf.

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    4 minutes ago, deanox said:

    No, I can understand.

    I understand the damage caused by lockdown quite personally, I feel for everyone affected, and think the government's need to do more to help. So if you are empathising with their position, but understand it is dangerous, then say that.

    At the moment it feels like you might be advocating for them, but obviously that just could be the problem with interpreting text on the internet.

    I think that is exactly what I tried to say in the post you replied to deanox.

     

    May have been clumsy in explaining my position.

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    2 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    I think that is exactly what I tried to say in the post you replied to deanox.

    Thanks for clarifying!

    I hope we can all get through this together. There are going to be some tough times on the other side, but it will be worth it.

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    Who was it on here suggesting Gladbags was the only state premier with half a brain cell?

    I found that quite hilarious at the time, as with everything we've seen in other states, it was clear she was just rolling the dice. This was inevitable, if you keep rolling, you'll eventually crap out, and that she has.

    Now she wants the rest of the nation to cover for her? That's poor form if you ask me, and she should be removed from her position. As should the big guy giving her the directions she's taken.

    Where's the accountability going to come from?

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    10 minutes ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

    Who was it on here suggesting Gladbags was the only state premier with half a brain cell?

    I found that quite hilarious at the time, as with everything we've seen in other states, it was clear she was just rolling the dice. This was inevitable, if you keep rolling, you'll eventually crap out, and that she has.

    Now she wants the rest of the nation to cover for her? That's poor form if you ask me, and she should be removed from her position. As should the big guy giving her the directions she's taken.

    Where's the accountability going to come from?

    If you can be bothered, track down (on Youtube) her interview with those Sydney FM d**&^heads Kyle and Jackie O, conducted during our last lockdown. Apparently we were asking for more Pfizer. She basically told us to go jump, then spent five minutes boasting about how her own administration was so good, her State 'didn't need' lockdowns. (Mind you some of what she said was true - the criticism of Victoria's lack of uniform QR codes, for example)

    But the smugness - unbearable. Then she has the nerve to come out and ask for more Pfizer a few weeks later.

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    59 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Ah, the union movement has built its entire business on this very method.

    They are not all "imbeciles" (granted some my reach these heights). Many just want to keep their business open and pay their mortgage.

    And we don't get to choose what others think is a "good reason" to protest when their livelihood is being taken away.

    Dead takes your livelihood away

     
    3 minutes ago, Larry, Moe or Curly said:

    Dead takes your livelihood away

    See, this is the thing that [censored] me no end.

    Covid does not kill everyone that it infects. Why the hyperbole?

    8 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    See, this is the thing that [censored] me no end.

    Covid does not kill everyone that it infects. Why the hyperbole?

    Again, 1000 to 5000 of the Grand final crowd is not hyperbole it's a significant risk.

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