12 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I wouldn’t call him a Gun 

He played in a Carlton Premiership that just about does it for me. 

10 hours ago, BoBo said:

Yes, but once again, he didn’t become a gun forward for the rest of his career.

 

I guess I’m looking for a Mal Michael type career... but going from the backline to the forward line.

 

He played 3-4 season as a key forward and was average... then became a backman and dominated.

 

I don’t think there is a player that’s been mentioned that has played 2+ seasons as a key defender and then gone forward and been an absolute gun player. Point being, it’s weird how there are at least 6-7 players in the last 20 years (that I can name) at least that have done a few average seasons as forwards and then become gun backmen.

Are you trying to be obtuse. DAVID NEITZ. Look at his record. Possibly the best defender of his generation and a Coleman medallist. I think he qualifies.

Edited April 17, 20214 yr by ManDee
He was also All Australian CHBack

2 hours ago, old dee said:

He played in a Carlton Premiership that just about does it for me. 

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1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Are you trying to be obtuse. DAVID NEITZ. Look at his record. Possibly the best defender of his generation and a Coleman medallist. I think he qualifies.

Yes, he was a gun defender.  His move forward was forced by the injury to Schwarta...

2 hours ago, ManDee said:

Are you trying to be obtuse. DAVID NEITZ. Look at his record. Possibly the best defender of his generation and a Coleman medallist. I think he qualifies.

Not trying to be obtuse at all. I’m not asking if any gun defenders became gun forwards. I’m asking if there have been any average defenders who became gun forwards, which I can’t think of any and I find it curious as there’s quite a few avg. forwards who went back and totally changed their careers.

 

Average forwards to absolute gun defenders, there seems to be more than a few, so why not the other way?

1 minute ago, BoBo said:

Not trying to be obtuse at all. I’m not asking if any gun defenders became gun forwards. I’m asking if there have been any average defenders who became gun forwards, which I can’t think of any and I find it curious as there’s quite a few avg. forwards who went back and totally changed their careers.

 

Average forwards to absolute gun defenders, there seems to be more than a few, so why not the other way?

Sorry BoBo,  I misunderstood your original post.

G train played a year or two down back early in his career iirc . 

12 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Not trying to be obtuse at all. I’m not asking if any gun defenders became gun forwards. I’m asking if there have been any average defenders who became gun forwards, which I can’t think of any and I find it curious as there’s quite a few avg. forwards who went back and totally changed their careers.

 

Average forwards to absolute gun defenders, there seems to be more than a few, so why not the other way?

I can think of one (above) average defender who went forward (very briefly) and won our team a premiership! I'd be prepared to call him a gun forward, but I might be biased.

2 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

I can think of one (above) average defender who went forward (very briefly) and won our team a premiership! I'd be prepared to call him a gun forward, but I might be biased.

Number 5 has a similar name to a motor racing comentator and regular poster here?

11 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Rated by Wayne Carey as the best CHB he ever played on. A very talented footballer and leader out Neiter.

I know this is is a direct quote from Carey, but I find it a weird one. He did once manage 31 disposals, 15 marks and 11 goals lined up on Neitz. I can only assume the other duels were tougher.

Loved Neita, but it's probably fair to say that Jakovich had him covered as the best CHB of the era.

27 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Average forwards to absolute gun defenders, there seems to be more than a few, so why not the other way?

CHF/ FF are probably the hardest positions to play on the ground. Key position forwards have always been much harder to find than key position defenders. Plenty of forwards are capable defenders, but not so much vice-versa.

Fortunately for us, apparently North weren't aware of this during last years trade period.