Viney’s year wasn’t good imo but I’m sure there are certain things that we don’t see that the coaches do. That said I would hope that Viney himself reflects on this season as a poor one by his standards and that the place we finished is a reflection on his leadership group’s inability to drive higher standards for 2019. 

I’ve said this a couple of times, 2019 might be a failure that can lead to greater success if assessed and used properly. It doesn’t have to be a wasted year. 

Congrats to Oliver and Gawn on tying for the B&F, I would’ve had Max in front but Oliver was still good this year (without being incredible). 

Now bring on 2020 (hopefully with no injury list!). 

22.095 Max Gawn 
21.090 Clayton Oliver 
19.250 Steven May 
15.381 Jack Viney 
14.500 James Harmes 

13.917 Jake Melksham 
13.318 Christian Petracca 
11.714 Tim Smith 
10.650 Christian Salem 
10.5‬00 Jordan Lewis 

10.455 Bayley Fritsch 
10.143 Marty Hore 
10.067 Tom McDonald 
09.545 Angus Brayshaw 
09.476 Jayden Hunt 

09.273 Sam Frost 
08.727 Nathan Jones 
08.700 Harry Petty 
08.667 Jay Lockhart 
08.083 Josh Wagner 

05.909 Sam Weideman 
05.632 Michael Hibberd 

Edited October 1, 20195 yr by Trisul

I was most suprised that Gawn and Oliver were joint winners of the Demons Best & Fairest Keith "Bluey" Truscott award for 2019.

The first time it has ever happened in the Demons history.

I honestly expected Gawn to win with Oliver a close 2nd.

 

Nevertheless, congratulations to them both.

I haven't been through all the posts, so apologies if this has been covered, but my 3 take aways from last night were:

- I thought Goodwin spoke well, and with credibility.  He is passionate and committed, and has an elite mindset.  I have confidence that the lessons of 2019 have been learned.  Whether they can be taught, imparted and enacted, that remains to be seen of course.  People want fire and brimstone, but that isn't how the 2020 player is built.

- Jordan Lewis said, or at least clearly implied, that the group didn't work hard enough in the 2019 pre-season.  It is the first admission I have heard that we essentially drank our own bathwater after a "successful" 2018.  That is a worry, but something that can be rectified and is in our control (unlike some of the injuries).

- When you look at the closeness of the players at Richmond, including those that didn't get picked to play in the GF, there is a clear difference between that and our players.  I don't profess to have been up close with Richmond's team, but I did hear the way Hardwick spoke about it.  The body language and behaviour of our players towards each other from senior blokes like Jones, Tom McDonald, do not give the appearance of the bond that is needed to get where we want to.

 

Edited October 1, 20195 yr by Choko

  On 01/10/2019 at 04:41, Rusty Nails said:

A good point DP.  I wouldn't call that table analysis though it's just a very rough / loose guide and needs to be kept in context and viewed warily.  But getting back to your question...

1.  See response to Redleg a few posts up please if you can be bothered.  Bottom line is i would completely ignore his comparative part of the table as Stretch's 2018 sample is too small and, on reflection, should really have been kept in-house and not made public.

2.  With regard to this season -  There is much more data to go on and his 2019 looks quite solid in isolation and also when compared to others.  However, i've also covered this season somewhat in the response to Red.  The only other issues i would add here are... He might have just had enough at his end and wants a fresh change elsewhere?  With Langdon coming in the FD feels Langdon is a better fit to play a Stretch / Hannon type role and with Hannon effectively back in 2020 (fingers crossed) they feel having the two (Langdon & Hannon) covers off one side of the ground on the outside ie., Stretch is superfluous to their needs.  Other factor/s i am completely unaware of (the more likely reason!).

3.  As you are probably already aware ... all data and comparisons using such data should only be used as a very rough / loose form guide.  Caveat emptor if you like.  I don't like to use data in isolation for any sort of absolute call on a player unless i've actually sat and watched a decent amount of footy that matches very closely with the time line of the data set in question.  Too much happens on field that most of the publicly available data (but not all there are a few rare nuggets) will ever capture and is missed unless observing closely.  There is also context to some performances as well like players asked to carry out a lock down role resulting in them getting a poor weighted score but might be close to BOG in terms of completing task at hand.  Player coming back from serious injury needing two to three matches to find some form / match fitness etc.

Having said that i find that this table has been a reasonably decent snap shot to determine rough / general form of a player (and team as a whole....top 22), with a few ordinary exceptions.  Stretch being one of those as discussed.  Far from perfect but it is what it is.

Thanks Rusty

i understand and agree with all you have said.

i do appreciate your table and hope it continues.  

All that said Stretch does seem the outlier who performed well at Casey and didn't get rewarded, was only given a single chance on promotion before being dropped while others were given multiple games. Only at the end of the season was he given a string of games. By then the whole side was playing without confidence and cohesion.

in short I reckon he got a raw deal. Did Todd and Steven have some history that was reflected on the siblings.

I saw him play live only a few times and he was far from the worst on each occasion but still got no recognition.

I like him from the name and may be biased but would hate to see him leave,  and especially play well at another club with a different regime. But I said the same of Watts and Hogan but appreciated the club makes decisions with more players nformation than I can possibly contemplate.

i will watch with interest as always and support the Dees

 

Is there a full list of the votes? I find it NQR that the club would only post the top 20 on the website. I'm sure Kade Chandler won't slash his wrists when he's shown finishing 37th.

  On 30/09/2019 at 12:40, Demonland said:

Final Leaderboard

Max Gawn 464
Clayton Oliver 464
Jack Viney 323
James Harmes 319
Christian Petracca 293
Bayley Fritsch  230
Christian Salem 213
Angus Brayshaw 210
Sam Frost 204
Jayden Hunt 199
Nathan Jones 192
Jake Melksham 167
Steven May 154
Tom McDonald 151
Marty Hore 142
Jordan Lewis 126
Michael Hibberd  107
Jay Lockhart 104
Josh Wagner 97
Harrison Petty 87
Tim Smith 82
Sam Weideman 65
Jake Lever 62
Alex Neal-Bullen 61
Corey Wagner 61
Jeff Garlett 55
Billy Stretch 49
Braydon Preuss 45
Oskar Baker 38
Charlie Spargo 36
Oscar McDonald 28
Mitch Hannan 20
Jay Kennedy Harris 20
Kyle Dunkley 19
Thomas Sparrow 11
Kade Chandler 4
Neville Jetta  2
Declan Keilty 2

Updated with all vote getters.