13 hours ago, Biffen said:

Bulldust.

Do you think people want to retire in their mid 50's or they are forced to?

Migration contributes very little to the bottom line of our tax base.

Particularly non-english speakers with zero skills.

What stats , where and by whom?

Think before you spout.

Who sold you the myths and why?

Do we need more unskilled peoples believing an irrelevant doctrine from a 7th Century Bedouin?

Do you swallow govt stats as  true?

Where are the crime stats, the wife beating stats, the rape stats and the racial stats of the offenders?

Hidden .

 

Yep, I am full of bulldust.  I only work in the area, so what would I know?  OK, I'll give up my day job.  BTW Biff, are you in line to be Corey Bernardi's political adviser.  I reckon you would be a great fit.  You are the font of all knowledge after all.

17 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Yep, I am full of bulldust.  I only work in the area, so what would I know?  OK, I'll give up my day job.  BTW Biff, are you in line to be Corey Bernardi's political adviser.  I reckon you would be a great fit.  You are the font of all knowledge after all.

What area?

Lobbying for the ALP or a migration agent?

Keep drawing in another subject like Bernardi to distract , it shows you have forgotten  to take your Ritalin.

Or do you work at centrelink?

Perhaps the overcowded DIAC building in town or the detention centre, AMES,ASIS,AFP or some of the other agencies we need to fund in order to accept those most Australians do not want here.

Or are you a bleeding heart charity beggar taking in soap and socks to those that haven't passed vetting because they are Islamists?

It's a huge industry so no wonder you are keen to defend it.

I personally went through the process of getting a migrant here as well.It wasn't a 457 and they weren't Muslim .It wasn't easy but it was legal .

I'd ask you to stop the inference of racism as well,it's lazy and Islam is a politco/religious movement operating all over the world, not a race.

P.S you didn't answer anything you just threw in another left field insult followed by a whine about your unspecified migrant job

2 minutes ago, Biffen said:

What area?

Lobbying for the ALP or a migration agent?

Keep drawing in another subject like Bernardi to distract , it shows you have forgotten  to take your Ritalin.

Or do you work at centrelink?

Perhaps the overcowded DIAC building in town or the detention centre, AMES,ASIS,AFP or some of the other agencies we need to fund in order to accept those most Australians do not want here.

Or are you a bleeding heart charity beggar taking in soap and socks to those that haven't passed vetting because they are Islamists?

It's a huge industry so no wonder you are keen to defend it.

I personally went through the process of getting a migrant here as well.It wasn't a 457 and they weren't Muslim .It wasn't easy but it was legal .

I'd ask you to stop the inference of racism as well,it's lazy and Islam is a politco/religious movement operating all over the world, not a race.

 

None of the above.  But your epithets betray you.  The reference to Bernardi is in no way a distraction.  Your views clearly align with his jaundiced view of the world.  As with many deniers of empirical fact, you selectively draw on certain texts and articles and then proffer them as truths which apply in general.  I only deal in cold hard facts.  You might like to try that yourself sometime.  Presented with such facts, you do what most deniers of your kind do.  You lampoon them as suspect, politically driven or designed to suit a particular leftist cause, but as always people such as yourself never drill down into those facts, choosing rather to keep your blinkered view of the world, supported by the tabloid media, shock jocks and the the likes of the Hansonites.  Just what is Astraya's culture?  Please, give me ultimate definition Biff, because, for all of my 60 years on this planet, I still have no idea what it is supposed to be, given it was made up misfits in the first place.

I am outta here now and going back to the footy pages, where I should have stayed in the first place.  I'll leave you to wallow in the shallows of your clear prejudice. 

4 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

None of the above.  But your epithets betray you.  The reference to Bernardi is in no way a distraction.  Your views clearly align with his jaundiced view of the world.  As with many deniers of empirical fact, you selectively draw on certain texts and articles and then proffer them as truths which apply in general.  I only deal in cold hard facts.  You might like to try that yourself sometime.  Presented with such facts, you do what most deniers of your kind do.  You lampoon them as suspect, politically driven or designed to suit a particular leftist cause, but as always people such as yourself never drill down into those facts, choosing rather to keep your blinkered view of the world, supported by the tabloid media, shock jocks and the the likes of the Hansonites.  Just what is Astraya's culture?  Please, give me ultimate definition Biff, because, for all of my 60 years on this planet, I still have no idea what it is supposed to be, given it was made up misfits in the first place.

I am outta here now and going back to the footy pages, where I should have stayed in the first place.  I'll leave you to wallow in the shallows of your clear prejudice. 

I'm hardly blinkered.

I've heard every argument there is.

Like most non-muslims I don't want them living amongst us in large numbers.

That's all.

Simple.

7 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I'm hardly blinkered.

I've heard every argument there is.

Like most non-muslims I don't want them living amongst us in large numbers.

That's all.

Simple.

Good for you Biff.

17 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I'm hardly blinkered.

I've heard every argument there is.

Like most non-muslims I don't want them living amongst us in large numbers.

That's all.

Simple.

Massive divergence of opinion here, harking back to the first page.

Current Muslim population of Australia is 2.2%.

I think it's fine.

You think it's too big.

The fact that we cannot even agree on the interpretation of a single stat (one that we both believe is accurate but means different things), shows we'll never sway other in argument.

All of us here are beating our heads against the other's, making no progress at all. All I can say from all this arguing is that I've learned a little more about the other side.

13 minutes ago, Choke said:

Massive divergence of opinion here, harking back to the first page.

Current Muslim population of Australia is 2.2%.

I think it's fine.

You think it's too big.

The fact that we cannot even agree on the interpretation of a single stat (one that we both believe is accurate but means different things), shows we'll never sway other in argument.

All of us here are beating our heads against the other's, making no progress at all. All I can say from all this arguing is that I've learned a little more about the other side.

Actually Choke, that was the figure in the 2011 Census, but I was about to post the same thing - christian religions were 61.1%, 'no religion' was 22.3%, while 'unstated' was over four times the percentage of islam at 9.4%.  Since 2011, our population has increased by a little over 2 million, and it is more than likely that the vast majority of those would either have no religion or would be christian (obviously I don't have the figures, but going by the distribution in 2011, it stands to reason that the bulk of new births would be from the more established religions).  Even the hindus have a greater presence here than do the followers of islam. 

There was a push by the fear mongering extreme right wing/nationalists for people to avoid marking "no religion" in their census as otherwise islam would take over and we would be labelled an islamic country...
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/unholy-war-over-census-question-on-religion/news-story/c6171ebdad35a6614d09be493aa1fff2

11 minutes ago, Choke said:

Massive divergence of opinion here, harking back to the first page.

Current Muslim population of Australia is 2.2%.

I think it's fine.

You think it's too big.

The fact that we cannot even agree on the interpretation of a single stat (one that we both believe is accurate but means different things), shows we'll never sway other in argument.

All of us here are beating our heads against the other's, making no progress at all. All I can say from all this arguing is that I've learned a little more about the other side.

I've never said it's too big but it's enough.

That figure will  more than double every 12-15 years.

I've stated my views on this and marriage visas/family re-union visas.

The hysterics from all of you opposing me are pathetic .

You grab other issues and throw them in like you have a monopoly on righteousness.

Enjoy your lives and suck up the political future.

4 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Actually Choke, that was the figure in the 2011 Census, but I was about to post the same thing - christian religions were 61.1%, 'no religion' was 22.3%, while 'unstated' was over four times the percentage of islam at 9.4%.  Since 2011, our population has increased by a little over 2 million, and it is more than likely that the vast majority of those would either have no religion or would be christian (obviously I don't have the figures, but going by the distribution in 2011, it stands to reason that the bulk of new births would be from the more established religions).  Even the hindus have a greater presence here than do the followers of islam. 

There was a push by the fear mongering extreme right wing/nationalists for people to avoid marking "no religion" in their census as otherwise islam would take over and we would be labelled an islamic country...
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/unholy-war-over-census-question-on-religion/news-story/c6171ebdad35a6614d09be493aa1fff2

Great Stats.

Hindus are not a threat to Western civilisation .So let 'em breed.

1 hour ago, iv'a worn smith said:

None of the above.  But your epithets betray you.  The reference to Bernardi is in no way a distraction.  Your views clearly align with his jaundiced view of the world.  As with many deniers of empirical fact, you selectively draw on certain texts and articles and then proffer them as truths which apply in general.  I only deal in cold hard facts.  You might like to try that yourself sometime.  Presented with such facts, you do what most deniers of your kind do.  You lampoon them as suspect, politically driven or designed to suit a particular leftist cause, but as always people such as yourself never drill down into those facts, choosing rather to keep your blinkered view of the world, supported by the tabloid media, shock jocks and the the likes of the Hansonites.  Just what is Astraya's culture?  Please, give me ultimate definition Biff, because, for all of my 60 years on this planet, I still have no idea what it is supposed to be, given it was made up misfits in the first place.

I am outta here now and going back to the footy pages, where I should have stayed in the first place.  I'll leave you to wallow in the shallows of your clear prejudice. 

for someone who only deals in "facts", iva, that's a rather damning diatribe - lol 

50 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

for someone who only deals in "facts", iva, that's a rather damning diatribe - lol 

Thanks DC.  One person's diatribe is another's dissertation.  Just see Biff's numerous posts on this topic

12 hours ago, Biffen said:

You can't get the official and increased rape stats in Europe because they might offend a particular group.

 

Nah, not good enough. Show me the stats. #headinthesand

12 minutes ago, A F said:

Nah, not good enough. Show me the stats. #headinthesand

Go find 'em yourself if you can .#LMBB

AF - cut and paste the article from the Independent dated Jan 7 2016.

Try to copy it without editing if you are able.

I'm a wordsmith-as you will have noticed.

If you can't or won't do it then I will get a minion to do it for me later.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

 

here you go sweetie.

You seem reluctant to face truth.

31 minutes ago, Biffen said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

 

here you go sweetie.

You seem reluctant to face truth.

That article makes no definitive statements...it hints at the multi cultural policy and Muslim immigration being partly to blame, but provides absolutely no conclusive evidence such as statistics.

30 minutes ago, hardtack said:

That article makes no definitive statements...it hints at the multi cultural policy and Muslim immigration being partly to blame, but provides absolutely no conclusive evidence such as statistics.

Deny,deny,deny........

What do  you know about Rotherham?

Do you know how it happened and why it went on for so long?

For fear of causing offense to a certain community.

You may have to accept that the new fascists are actually on the left of politics and the regime is crumbling.

I'm not wedded to the right side of politics but I know BS when I smell it .

Now read and youtube about Rotherham and then tell me it's fake news.

Or even better Tack,change your mind and accept I might just be right.

It won't kill you.

Closer to home is the charming little Bilal Skaf  character.

23 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Deny,deny,deny........

What do  you know about Rotherham?

Do you know how it happened and why it went on for so long?

For fear of causing offense to a certain community.

You may have to accept that the new fascists are actually on the left of politics and the regime is crumbling.

I'm not wedded to the right side of politics but I know BS when I smell it .

Now read and youtube about Rotherham and then tell me it's fake news.

Or even better Tack,change your mind and accept I might just be right.

It won't kill you.

 

You call it denial, I call it wanting something a little more substantial in the way of proof.  Yes, I'm sure that the increase in assaults is probably partially due to immigration, but I would be equally sure that it is also partially due to other mitigating factors such as drugs and alchohol and just plain old violent domineering males.  Do you think domestic violence and sexual assault cases in this country are for the most part down to people from islamic countries?

On Rotheram, yes I agree that that was an unforgiveable cover-up as was/is the Westminster pedophile ring cover-up and the Vatican cover-up of their priests.  But that is one case you are citing and yet again you set out to tar the entire islamic community with the one broad brush (whether that is your intent or not, that is certainly how it is coming across).

22 minutes ago, hardtack said:

You call it denial, I call it wanting something a little more substantial in the way of proof.  Yes, I'm sure that the increase in assaults is probably partially due to immigration, but I would be equally sure that it is also partially due to other mitigating factors such as drugs and alchohol and just plain old violent domineering males.  Do you think domestic violence and sexual assault cases in this country are for the most part down to people from islamic countries?

On Rotheram, yes I agree that that was an unforgiveable cover-up as was/is the Westminster pedophile ring cover-up and the Vatican cover-up of their priests.  But that is one case you are citing and yet again you set out to tar the entire islamic community with the one broad brush (whether that is your intent or not, that is certainly how it is coming across).

No mate.

These aren't isolated incidents, there is a wave of it across Europe.

Alcohol has nothing to do with it.

Pack animals do .

Or maybe European women and men who've been raped asked for it.

I'm going to leave this thread for a while now and the rest of you can either admit you may be wrong or keep singing from the same hymn book.

Please don't call me racist,I really am not.

It's been a blast and my intention has never been to misinform,quite the contrary.

Cheers Dears

We've had our own home-grown ring of pedophiles. Maybe we should deport all Catholics? Or scouts? 

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

No mate.

These aren't isolated incidents, there is a wave of it across Europe.

Alcohol has nothing to do with it.

Pack animals do .

Or maybe European women and men who've been raped asked for it.

I hope that you're not insinuating that that is how I think.

And why do you keep shifting the goal posts? You cite an article that relates to Sweden and Denmark and I respond to that, so now you talk of a wave of assaults across Europe.  No one is saying that they are isolated incidents, and pack animals are certainly not confined to one particular belief system... are ALL catholics pedophiles or are all pedophiles catholic? (I notice you had no response to the Westminster and Vatican pedophile cases even though they are on a par with the Rotheram case you mention... is it because they have nothing to do with islam, which somehow excuses them?)

8 hours ago, Biffen said:

Like most non-muslims I don't want them living amongst us in large numbers.

Yes, you're blinkered, and have nothing to back up your sweeping and bigoted generalisation.

The only people who don't want to live alongside muslims in large numbers are people who've never lived alongside muslims in large numbers. They're just people, like the rest of us.

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Yes, you're blinkered, and have nothing to back up your sweeping and bigoted generalisation.

The only people who don't want to live alongside muslims in large numbers are people who've never lived alongside muslims in large numbers. They're just people, like the rest of us.

Ok 

I'll take the bait again.

 I've  lived in Altona North for a year and in Paris as well.

Between the Bataclan and the Rue de Republic. In the Marais. I've spent time in Nice as well.Remember the spots where all those people were executed for socialising?

I smoked a lot of hash with an Algerian who was training to be a pilot but they wouldn't let him sit the last test.

"I hate the French,I F..king hate them all" he would say to me quite often .

No wonder he never got that Pilots license .

In Altona Nth there was a crash on the corner intersection about 15m from my house ,ALWAYS involving Lebanese teens,usually in stolen cars ,usually crashing through people obeying the law with kids in the car and putting them into the neighbours house.This happened not once but SIXTEEN times in ONE year.Sometimes the crash was Lebanese and Lebanese hitting each other .How would you sort it out? By getting on the phone and hitting the mayhem button and have 60-80 family members duke it out on the street ,naturally!! The police would arrive and do nothing of course.Lots of Black BMWs (stereotyping again)

I know of what I speak.

I have met some great Muslims too ,many in Paris ,but they were none too devout.I have no problem with Muslims who are basically non-religious ,or those many, who are not aggro.

The new Fascists are the Lefty twerps like yourself who ignore the multiple post I've put up and chirp in with your "have nothing to back it up" you dill.I've backed up every stupid reply on here.Are you illiterate or just lazy?

Why would I bother otherwise-do you think I like educating you triggered ,feminist, whining, cliched bores?

Go out and enjoy Paris while you can buddy.

6 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Ok 

I'll take the bait again.

 I've  lived in Altona North for a year and in Paris as well.

You can lead a Biff to Altona and Paris, but you can't make him think.