What a mess!

Seems like dd above was on the money, ongoing investigations for a while from what I have read.

It makes me feel for the smaller trainers even more now, the ones that do the right thing and yet they are forced to quit the game or move their base to some location you’ve never heard of just to maintain the business most likely unsuccessfully as well. When I say small I mean a trainer that has a handful of horses in a stable. How can you compete with a trainer that has up to 4-5 horses in a race sometimes? I remember trainers getting sick of Waller in Sydney a couple of years ago, it was like spot the non-Waller horse in the field.

Here’s a question i heard on the radio. How many punters say at Mornington today would have thought twice about having a bet? Not many probably is my guess. 

It would be great if they cleaned all this out, but how do you do that? There’s corruption in just about every sport and banning wagering like I heard on the radio today won’t fix the problem. 

30 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

What a mess!

Seems like dd above was on the money, ongoing investigations for a while from what I have read.

It makes me feel for the smaller trainers even more now, the ones that do the right thing and yet they are forced to quit the game or move their base to some location you’ve never heard of just to maintain the business most likely unsuccessfully as well. When I say small I mean a trainer that has a handful of horses in a stable. How can you compete with a trainer that has up to 4-5 horses in a race sometimes? I remember trainers getting sick of Waller in Sydney a couple of years ago, it was like spot the non-Waller horse in the field.

Here’s a question i heard on the radio. How many punters say at Mornington today would have thought twice about having a bet? Not many probably is my guess. 

It would be great if they cleaned all this out, but how do you do that? There’s corruption in just about every sport and banning wagering like I heard on the radio today won’t fix the problem. 

It's time the racing authorities put a stop to races being monopolised and a cap on the amount of horses that any trainer can have.  150 is enough but I reckon even 100 is plentiful. 

But this new saga might bring things to a head anyway ... fairly sure that a country in Europe (France?) allows trainers to only have 1 horse in any given race.  It might be 2. 

And a horse like 'The Autumn Sun' should be racing against Winx.  The finger can't be pointed at just 1 trainer.  There's a lot to clean up DZ.

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by Macca

Things are moving along rather quickly

Weir, McLean, Kermond summoned today to face Stewards

 

Edited January 31, 20196 yr by Macca

Best Bet

Caulfield  Race 2 No.7  Pissaro  $4.00

On 01/25/2019 at 7:34 PM, rjay said:

 

You were a week early rjay! 

I'm not even going to attempt to explain away the events of this week other than to say that the industry needs to be cleaned up.  ASAP.

 

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

You were a week early rjay! 

I'm not even going to attempt to explain away the events of this week other than to say that the industry needs to be cleaned up.  ASAP.

 

Well do we know if Weirs horses are even going to be allowed to run tomorrow? Sort of begs the question if they had known about some alleged wrong doings for sometime, why not make their inquiries after the Spring Carnival?

I was going to make my best bet a quinella Written By and Nature Strip, but i dont think Ladbrokes and possible other on-line agencies allow it in a multi? I know the TAB does.

Best Bet:

Caulfield Race 4 No1 Lamborghini $4.60

12 minutes ago, Macca said:

You were a week early rjay! 

I'm not even going to attempt to explain away the events of this week other than to say that the industry needs to be cleaned up.  ASAP.

 

Yep...

...not sure it will ever be cleaned up 'Macca'.

Is the will there to do it?  

Seems they just skim the surface every now and then, make an example of someone then everything goes back to the status quo.

Unfortunately gambling/money lends itself to let's just call them dubious activities and that's not restricted to racing.

A lot of cleaning to be done.

9 minutes ago, rjay said:

Yep...

...not sure it will ever be cleaned up 'Macca'.

Is the will there to do it?  

Seems they just skim the surface every now and then, make an example of someone then everything goes back to the status quo.

Unfortunately gambling/money lends itself to let's just call them dubious activities and that's not restricted to racing.

A lot of cleaning to be done.

This is about the welfare of horses rjay

And this latest stuff is huge ... so big that it should be the catalyst for change

Many in the industry are now calling for real change and much more governance.

Oddly enough,  racing is much tougher than most sporting organisations (including the AFL) but as tough as it is it needs to be much much tougher.

5 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Well do we know if Weirs horses are even going to be allowed to run tomorrow? Sort of begs the question if they had known about some alleged wrong doings for sometime, why not make their inquiries after the Spring Carnival?

I was going to make my best bet a quinella Written By and Nature Strip, but i dont think Ladbrokes and possible other on-line agencies allow it in a multi? I know the TAB does.

Best Bet:

Caulfield Race 4 No1 Lamborghini $4.60

As you probably know by now all the Weir horses have been scratched Wadda. 

It's just an unholy mess and I can't help but feel sad for all involved.  So much to sort out with so many repercussions & ramifications.  Especially up your neck of the woods.

Written By is still 3.90 from 4.20 after the scratching of Nature Strip.....goes alright first up. Not a lot else in that race.

Oh hang on, on Ladbrokes its 1.85....3.90 on Racenet?

Edited February 1, 20196 yr by Wadda We Sing

Yes, i just saw that Macca. Yep, what a mess.

Best Bet

A bit of a shorty this week fellas.

Caulfield Race 9 Number 7

Mr Money Bags $2.30

Best Bets:

Caulfield Race 9 Number 7  Mr Money Bags $2.30

Caulfield Race 4 No1 Lamborghini $3.50

Caulfield Race 2 No 4 Pissaro $2.90

So there we have it around 23/1 this week punters, possible bonuses with boosted odds on offer at various outlets.

Good luck and May The Horse Be With You.

 

Edited February 1, 20196 yr by Wadda We Sing

And the exodus begins

• Chris Waller: Nature Strip, Yes Yes Yes

• Robert HIckmott: Trap For Fools

• Kris Lees: Brave Smash

• Ciaron Maher: Extra Brut, Night's Watch

• Lindsay Park: Amphitrite, Hawkshot, Chauffeur

• Patrick Payne: Banachek, Invincible Amici, Nussink

• Archie Alexander: Gallic Chieftain

21 minutes ago, Macca said:

And the exodus begins

• Chris Waller: Nature Strip, Yes Yes Yes

• Robert HIckmott: Trap For Fools

• Kris Lees: Brave Smash

• Ciaron Maher: Extra Brut, Night's Watch

• Lindsay Park: Amphitrite, Hawkshot, Chauffeur

• Patrick Payne: Banachek, Invincible Amici, Nussink

• Archie Alexander: Gallic Chieftain

Ok now im completely confused....like what the?

So the owners have taken their horses elsewhere? Permanently or pending hearings?

So much for being innocent until proven guilty.

Can Nature Strip now go back in tomorrow? Are they allowed to run in blinkers?? God what a mess

I need a drink.

Edited February 1, 20196 yr by Wadda We Sing

16 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

I need a drink.

Haha, applies to a few of us I’d say wadda.

Talked to mate about the situation and it was interesting to hear some opinions from owners. 

Looks like Waller ended up with a couple of top ten draft picks above.

Edited February 1, 20196 yr by Dee Zephyr

5 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Ok now im completely confused....like what the?

It's the owner's calls I suppose.  Probably an immediate backlash from the scratchings tomorrow as their horses are now out of sync with their program's.  It's a ruthless world we live in.

The owners may be pre-empting the possible/probable penalties that may or may not be handed down on Monday. 

The logistics of movement with regards to the 700+ horses is going to be quite enormous ... I'm thinking there might be 30+ trainers involved with the relocation of all the horses.  There has been talk of placing trainers into the Ballarat & Warrnambool stables so that a number of the horses don't have to be moved.

Of course,  no penalties have been handed down yet but it's not looking good Wadda

Maybe we better help out and open A Day at the Races Equine Racing Bloodstock Macca ! DZ is in top form with his 5 winners in 6 weeks and can be stable Foreman. You and i can take charge of the acquisition of new bloodstock and im extending the garage as we speak....plenty of room here.

Ended up getting 27-1 for our tri-bet (see Wadda's post above - #3088)

Best of luck to all !

Missed the omen bet 

 

Anymore updates this morning on whats going on? Guess we will have to wait till Monday, then the inevitable appeal to VCAT.

Edited February 2, 20196 yr by Wadda We Sing

3 hours ago, Deeman said:

Missed the omen bet 

 

Nice one Deeman thanks for that...classic !

10 hours ago, Macca said:

Ended up getting 27-1 for our tri-bet (see Wadda's post above - #3088)

Best of luck to all !

Nice one Macca. Think i only got 23 cause i put my boosted into my previous bet on Lamborghini into Written By multi, which i got 7/1 for, so not to shabby.

35 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Anymore updates this morning on whats going on? Guess we will have to wait till Monday, then the inevitable appeal to VCAT.

Apart from the exodus of horses from the stables the rest of it is just speculation on the penalties and whether there might be any more revelations. 

There is a major difference with regards to penalties on the possession of 'jiggers' as opposed to the use of them.  An arbitrary penalty versus a minimum 2 years is my belief but I stand corrected on that one. 

And the arbitrary penalties could be anything ... the racing authorities have been known to come down very hard with these sorts of indiscretions.  And there are 6 charges.  At a guess I'm thinking 2 to 5 years but I may be way off beam.

Using historical references Mel Schumacher received a lifetime ban (later reduced to a 10 year ban) for pulling the leg of another jockey in a race in the 60's (and no,  I'm not pulling your leg with that story Wadda)

And there has been all sorts of other draconian penalties handed down from time to time.  It could be a case of the bigger the name,  the bigger the penalty. 

That's if guilt is found of course ... but again,  the findings and penalties are often arbitrary based,  with regards to the indiscretions.  Not being forthcoming with information is very often frowned upon too. 

Edited February 2, 20196 yr by Macca

Damien Oliver in staying races when he is on a good or decent horse ... a no-brainer?  Timed his run to perfection to edge out my choice (Pissaro)  That's racing - always something to learn!