On 02/05/2015 at 02:22, Baghdad Bob said:

It was. Just another cheap shot.

... from someone constantly questioning Watts' toughness. Not to mention, hiding behind a continually changing user name.

Neither particularly brave.

  On 01/05/2015 at 02:24, DeeZee said:

Congrats to one of our most skilfull and loyal players Jack Watts, on 100 games, may there be many more!

I could name heaps more skilful and loyal players TBH

  On 02/05/2015 at 07:33, Henrietta Lumbago said:

I could name heaps more skilful and loyal players TBH

Go on then

Watts does bring out the passion from the MFC supporters. Either love him or hate him, he is an important player.

The pressure from being a number one draft pick must be terrible.

  On 02/05/2015 at 07:33, Henrietta Lumbago said:

I could name heaps more skilful and loyal players TBH

Then you obviously know more than Jamar and the rest of his teammates and the coaches who are all 100% behind Watts, if the Jamar interview on the MFC website is to be believed.

Meanwhile, Jamar praised forward Jack Watts, who is set to play his 100th game against Fremantle this round.

  On 01/05/2015 at 02:24, DeeZee said:

Congrats to one of our most skilfull and loyal players Jack Watts, on 100 games, may there be many more!

How is he one of our most loyal players, he is yet to play 100 games, he is an under performing high draft pick, if we were going to trade him at this current point in time we wouldn't get stuff all in return, let's be honest teams like Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney don't recruit these types, they draft players with....hardness, skills aswell.

So the way I see it he is lucky to still be playing for the red and blue and still has a long way to go before he gains the respect of most MFC supporters....and that starts by his head on the line for his team mates.

  On 02/05/2015 at 07:53, Ethan Tremblay said:

Go on then

Where do I start, when talking about skills and loyalty Jack Watts is not the name that comes to mind....let's go with Nathan Jones.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:34, Henrietta Lumbago said:

How is he one of our most loyal players, he is yet to play 100 games, he is an under performing high draft pick, if we were going to trade him at this current point in time we wouldn't get stuff all in return, let's be honest teams like Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney don't recruit these types, they draft players with....hardness, skills aswell.

So the way I see it he is lucky to still be playing for the red and blue and still has a long way to go before he gains the respect of most MFC supporters....and that starts by his head on the line for his team mates.

You mean we would get a lot?

  On 02/05/2015 at 10:25, DemonFrog said:

Watts does bring out the passion from the MFC supporters. Either love him or hate him, he is an important player.

The pressure from being a number one draft pick must be terrible.

That's just an excuse, look at some types drafted at number 15 or 20 or Blease and Tapscott, these guys had just as much pressure put on them because they were "relatively high draft picks" with just as much expectation to be successful players.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:37, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Where do I start, when talking about skills and loyalty Jack Watts is not the name that comes to mind....let's go with Nathan Jones.

That's a start, barely "heaps more" though

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:40, hardtack said:

You mean we would get a lot?

a lot meaning what exactly?

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:43, Henrietta Lumbago said:

a lot meaning what exactly?

You claimed we would NOT get stuff all for him... so I was just clarifying that you meant we would get a lot. I for one, would not be looking to offload him regardless.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:43, Ethan Tremblay said:

That's a start, barely "heaps more" though

Loyalty- Jones, Grimes, Trengove ( remember he chose a 3 year contract unlike Tom Scully who left his options open for GWS ) Dunn, Garland, Jamar, Howe.....

Skills- Jones, Salem, Hogan, Toumpas, Petracca, Vince, Dunn

To say Watts is one of our most loyal and skilled players is just pumping him up to be something which he isn't at the moment.

My comments are based on what we have seen in his first 99 games.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:55, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Loyalty- Jones, Grimes, Trengove ( remember he chose a 3 year contract unlike Tom Scully who left his options open for GWS ) Dunn, Garland, Jamar, Howe.....

Skills- Jones, Salem, Hogan, Toumpas, Petracca, Vince, Dunn

To say Watts is one of our most loyal and skilled players is just pumping him up to be something which he isn't at the moment.

My comments are based on what we have seen in his first 99 games.

So you've seen Petracca play an AFL game? As for Toumpas, how is he more skilful, the same for Vince and Dunn?

As for loyalty what has Jamar turned down to be loyal? How about Howe? He hasn't been offered a contact from any other club and is yet to re-sign.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:55, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Loyalty- Jones, Grimes, Trengove ( remember he chose a 3 year contract unlike Tom Scully who left his options open for GWS ) Dunn, Garland, Jamar, Howe.....

Skills- Jones, Salem, Hogan, Toumpas, Petracca, Vince, Dunn

To say Watts is one of our most loyal and skilled players is just pumping him up to be something which he isn't at the moment.

My comments are based on what we have seen in his first 99 games.

Jones was often rubbished on here and Demonology for his lack of skills until something changed and it clicked for him. Watts has skills in spades being one of the best kicks and one of the better thinkers in the team... witness that tap down to Garlett in round 1... and his goal from a set shot in then pocket.

Hogan has played just 4 games and Petracca is yet to play a game... you have to be taking the p!ss.

Dunn and Vince are both hard at it players who bring a lot with them... but to say they have greater skills than Watts is ridiculous... I think you are confusing skill with hardness. And like Jones, Dunn is another who many on the forums wanted to see the back of until he found his groove.

Watts needs to harden up, no question... but to say he is lacking in skills is laughable.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:59, Ethan Tremblay said:

So you've seen Petracca play an AFL game? As for Toumpas, how is he more skilful, the same for Vince and Dunn?

As for loyalty what has Jamar turned down to be loyal? How about Howe? He hasn't been offered a contact from any other club and is yet to re-sign.

Look mate, I agree that Jack a Watts has good skills, but he doesn't deserve to be called " one of our most skilful and loyal players" that's simply not true, he hasn't earnt that title yet.

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:09, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Look mate, I agree that Jack a Watts has good skills, but he doesn't deserve to be called " one of our most skilful and loyal players" that's simply not true, he hasn't earnt that title yet.

In what way has he exhibited any behaviour that could be construed as lacking in loyalty? His skills are far better than most... his attitude can be a little lacking at times, but his skills are beyond reproach.. Then again, as they say, "haters are gonna hate".

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:08, hardtack said:

Jones was often rubbished on here and Demonology for his lack of skills until something changed and it clicked for him. Watts has skills in spades being one of the best kicks and one of the better thinkers in the team... witness that tap down to Garlett in round 1... and his goal from a set shot in then pocket.

Hogan has played just 4 games and Petracca is yet to play a game... you have to be taking the [censored].

Dunn and Vince are both hard at it players who bring a lot with them... but to say they have greater skills than Watts is ridiculous... I think you are confusing skill with hardness. And like Jones, Dunn is another who many on the forums wanted to see the back of until he found his groove.

Watts needs to harden up, no question... but to say he is lacking in skills is laughable.

Jack Watts is not one of the better thinkers in the team, if he was, then he would impact games more and get more goals and possessions.

So you say a Watts has better skills than Dunn, then why is Dunn trusted with kick outs and it's not because he can torp a ball into the centre of the MCG ( even though Jack Watts will never do this )

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:12, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Jack Watts is not one of the better thinkers in the team, if he was, then he would impact games more and get more goals and possessions.

So you say a Watts has better skills than Dunn, then why is Dunn trusted with kick outs and it's not because he can torp a ball into the centre of the MCG ( even though Jack Watts will never do this )

That's quoite a skill set Dunn has there isn't it... a torp to the centre. And the fact that Watts can't torp to the centre of the ground is conclusive evidence that he is lacking in skills... ok, you win, there is no arguing with logic like that.

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:16, hardtack said:

That's quoite a skill set Dunn has there isn't it... a torp to the centre. And the fact that Watts can't torp to the centre of the ground is conclusive evidence that he is lacking in skills... ok, you win, there is no arguing with logic like that.

Read it again, I said it's NOT because he can torp it into the centre of the G.

Aside from that, I like Watts. But I can't stand people who pump him up to be someone or something he isn't yet good on you for standing up for him but at last say it like it is Watts has been the weekest link in our team on so many occasions and yet he is still gifted a game each week, yes he has good skills, but good teams like Hawthorn, Sydney etc would not have him because he lacks......

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What does he lack.......

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Hardness & competitiveness !!!!!!!!

And he is not one of our most skilful and loyal players.

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:23, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Read it again, I said it's NOT because he can torp it into the centre of the G.

Aside from that, I like Watts. But I can't stand people who pump him up to be someone or something he isn't yet good on you for standing up for him but at last say it like it is Watts has been the weekest link in our team on so many occasions and yet he is still gifted a game each week, yes he has good skills, but good teams like Hawthorn, Sydney etc would not have him because he lacks......

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What does he lack.......

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Hardness & competitiveness !!!!!!!!

And he is not one of our most skilful and loyal players.

Ok, my bad... got that wrong. However, a possible reason why Dunn takes the kick-out and Watts doesn't could possibly have something to do with the positions in which they play on the ground? If I was relying on a player to pinpoint a pass, I would be backing Watts over Dunn every day of the week... and by the way, you didn't actually say why Dunn is given that particular task. Also, you are still to explain how his loyalty is any less than any other player on the team.

  On 02/05/2015 at 11:42, Henrietta Lumbago said:

That's just an excuse, look at some types drafted at number 15 or 20 or Blease and Tapscott, these guys had just as much pressure put on them because they were "relatively high draft picks" with just as much expectation to be successful players.

There is no way that Blease and Tapscott had anywhere near as much pressure as Watts to become a successful player, especially in the media. Although I admit I don't watch every video that is posted onto the AFL media website page I have never seen a "low lights" package of every single mistake a player has made in a game like they did last week with Watts. I also loved the other week when straight after Carey wrote that article about Watts that he started heavily criticizing him after he dropped a mark in extremely wet conditions while the rest of the game several people were dropping easier marks than that without any comments.

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:33, hardtack said:

Ok, my bad... got that wrong. However, a possible reason why Dunn takes the kick-out and Watts doesn't could possibly have something to do with the positions in which they play on the ground? If I was relying on a player to pinpoint a pass, I would be backing Watts over Dunn every day of the week... and by the way, you didn't actually say why Dunn is given that particular task. Also, you are still to explain how his loyalty is any less than any other player on the team.

The point is that he is not one of our most loyal players, which was the original statement, he is neither the least or the most loyal and so, his name should not be associated with the term.

  On 02/05/2015 at 12:09, Henrietta Lumbago said:

Look mate, I agree that Jack a Watts has good skills, but he doesn't deserve to be called " one of our most skilful and loyal players" that's simply not true, he hasn't earnt that title yet.

Unlike Toumpas, Salem and Petracca?

Fact: Watts was chased by other clubs prior to signing his last contract but stayed unlike many others who chased the money and ran. Jones and Dunn are a couple of others who bucked that trend, I struggle to think of many more.

Fact: Only 11 players in the comp had both higher disposal efficiency and more possessions than Watts in 2014.

Fact: Watts is lining up for his 100th game this week making him the 10th current player on the list to reach the milestone.

Question Watts' hardness all you want (although I maintain that is improving) however I would suggest that the claim that he is one of our most loyal and skilful players is on the money...

  On 02/05/2015 at 13:36, Radar Detector said:

Unlike Toumpas, Salem and Petracca?

Fact: Watts was chased by other clubs prior to signing his last contract but stayed unlike many others who chased the money and ran. Jones and Dunn are a couple of others who bucked that trend, I struggle to think of many more.

Fact: Only 11 players in the comp had both higher disposal efficiency and more possessions than Watts in 2014.

Fact: Watts is lining up for his 100th game this week making him the 10th current player on the list to reach the milestone.

Question Watts' hardness all you want (although I maintain that is improving) however I would suggest that the claim that he is one of our most loyal and skilful players is on the money...

Where did you get the second fact from, and what were his stats last year??