Would like to see him doing a lot of the boxing as well as well as running.

Do you think he put his hand up and said Excuse me Mr Roos, can I be excused from boxing.

I was going to ask what might never happen. That he will get a pre-season in or he'll be a star - but I realised the question was redundant.

Its melbourne's fault because we didn't develop him.....FMD

Do you think he put his hand up and said Excuse me Mr Roos, can I be excused from boxing.

No Way. Probably just hid.

What is this about?

"Meanwhile, the club would not be drawn into Sylvia's early exit from the club's best and fairest awards night last Saturday.

The club confirmed that Sylvia left the function at Crown Perth before 10pm due to illness and that the football department was aware of the situation on the night but did not comment any further on the nature of his illness".

Once it was confirmed that he would not poll a single vote in the count he cracked the shits and walked out.

True story.

Sort of.

I choose to liken the Toump to Nick Malceski. similar run, carry, distributor type players, albeit Malceski is a bigger body.

Malceski was a slow developer also, was drafted in 2002 and didn't consolidate his senior spot at Sydney until 2007. Nobody batted an eyelid because he was taken at 64 in the draft and, like Toumpas, was recovering from some injury troubles.

Has gone on to become an All Australian and one of the more damaging half backs in the game.

If Toumpas wasn't an early draft pick, we'd probably be taking the pragmatic view that he is young, developing, managing a developing body and an outside player, who will also struggle in a side that has great difficulty winning and keeping the footy.

Malceski struggled in the Swans 2's that was playing in the Canberra league and winning by 100 plus points every week. Toumpas was running around in a Casey side that was getting smashed, in often heavy conditions and had lost their best inside ball winner from the previous year in Magner. I'm still amazed at how he was able to play his best senior game for us in 2013 in horrendous conditions in Geelong.

We're all a bit jumpy because it is vitally important to us that he develops into the player he was drafted to be.

Give him time, he'll be fine.

If he wasnt high pick we probably wouldnt have drafted him. Cant have it both ways : he is either going to realise his high pick potential or not. If not he will be a bad choice!

I must say, i wasn't ever in his camp. Something is missing at the moment but its early days must show something early this season

Poor old Col Sylvia will be missing most of the pre season with an ankle.

Just needs that pre season and he'll be a star. Might never happen.

htttp: //www.afl.com.a...tart-for-sylvia"

Pity Sigmund Freud isn't still alive. I'd love to know what he'd make of "a...tart for sylvia".

Edit: deliberately mis-spelled http to stop it automatically making it a hyperlink and changing the text

If he wasnt high pick we probably wouldnt have drafted him. Cant have it both ways : he is either going to realise his high pick potential or not. If not he will be a bad choice!

I must say, i wasn't ever in his camp. Something is missing at the moment but its early days must show something early this season

Huh...???

So clubs don't use later picks anymore... does that mean we have to give Jay Kennedy-Harris and Tom McDonald back?

He was seen as a likely superstar, hence we used pick 4, using pick 4 on Toump also precluded us from using it on guys like Wines etc. hence the panic/hysteria if his progress looks even slightly delayed.

Once again, it is vitally important that he becomes a gun. Not just because we used an early pick on him, but because we are heavily deficient in the type of link up, ball carrying, distributor we drafted him to be.

We'd all have liked to see him burst onto the scene and put beyond any doubt that he'll be an a-grader.

My point is, I've seen nothing to suggest he can't cut it just yet.

Huh...???

So clubs don't use later picks anymore... does that mean we have to give Jay Kennedy-Harris and Tom McDonald back?

He was seen as a likely superstar, hence we used pick 4, using pick 4 on Toump also precluded us from using it on guys like Wines etc. hence the panic/hysteria if his progress looks even slightly delayed.

Once again, it is vitally important that he becomes a gun. Not just because we used an early pick on him, but because we are heavily deficient in the type of link up, ball carrying, distributor we drafted him to be.

We'd all have liked to see him burst onto the scene and put beyond any doubt that he'll be an a-grader.

My point is, I've seen nothing to suggest he can't cut it just yet.

My point is that I have seen nothing period!

My point is that I have seen nothing period!

Sounds like you didn't see years 9, 10, 11 or 12 of high school either.