Both Watts & Trengove have to show some serious form this year. They just have to.

If they don't it is time for trade talks.

I hope they kick azz this year, but i will not call them champions until they become such.

6-5 years on the list respectively.

They simply have to perform. If Roos cannot get them both to influence games late in the last Quarter no one will

Neither will ever become champions or elite.

Good serviceable footballers that will need to be coached to work within their respective limitations.

Both lovely lads, though.

Neither will ever become champions or elite.

Good serviceable footballers that will need to be coached to work within their respective limitations.

Both lovely lads, though.

servicable does not equate to picks 1 or 2 in the draft.

Both these boys can play.

I saw Watts tear it up for Brighto Grammar on 2 occasions before he was picked.

It's upstairs where the coaching is needed. 2014 is the year we have to see some results.

servicable does not equate to picks 1 or 2 in the draft.

Both these boys can play.

I saw Watts tear it up for Brighto Grammar on 2 occasions before he was picked.

It's upstairs where the coaching is needed. 2014 is the year we have to see some results.

Flawed logic, WYL.

Picks 1 and 2 don't necessarily equate to champions or elite status.

Tearing it up for Brighton Grammar? Don't go there......

I will stick up for Brighton Grammar. For the numbers they have, they are producing an extraordinary number of footballers. Yes, Robert Shaw has played a role but they have a strong set up.

Talk's cheap Jack.

Action in 2014 please.

OD have I got a deal for you!

I can supply a AFL player who can play 300 games of AFL plus kick 55 goals a season. h

How much would you,pay?

But wait, there more!

He can also a great public speaker!

How much would you pay?

But wait there more

He would make a great Captain!

...

I will stick up for Brighton Grammar. For the numbers they have, they are producing an extraordinary number of footballers. Yes, Robert Shaw has played a role but they have a strong set up.

No problem with the Grammar perse......I just don't rate APS competition.

OD have I got a deal for you!

I can supply a AFL player who can play 300 games of AFL plus kick 55 goals a season. h

How much would you,pay?

But wait, there more!

He can also a great public speaker!

How much would you pay?

But wait there more

He would make a great Captain!

...

To late DF I retired in 1970

No problem with the Grammar perse......I just don't rate APS competition.

Jumbo, I think you would be surprised as to the number of great players who have come through the APS.

Remember that Xavier, Caulfield and Geelong Grammar are all APS. Half of Sydney's tough nuts are from Xavier for starters. Add Judd from Caulfield.

Remember that Xavier, Caulfield and Geelong Grammar are all APS. Half of Sydney's tough nuts are from Xavier for starters. Add Judd from Caulfield.

Fair enough....I've always considered AGSV a better comp.

Parker was Hailebury. Goddard, Ball, Watson, Scott brothers.

Sandilands, Barlow, Langford, Hawkins, Newport.

In Perth, Wesley has had Cousins and Franklin.

Biffen, BBO and others,

If you continue to derail threads with your BS you will be banned and not welcome back.

Last warning. You will have no further warnings.

At the risk of a ban, I would have thought that the very nature of a topic thread will mean that it goes off topic at times. Some of the more interesting responses are when it actually does so. Certainly, the more humorous can stray. Can we perhaps take this into consideration? If someone wants to debate whether a comma should be in a thread title then let them. Otherwise, footy can be a little boring. The best football has characters and, I would imagine, so do the best footy forums. It doesn't have to be a safe haven for the self righteous.

I will stick up for Brighton Grammar. For the numbers they have, they are producing an extraordinary number of footballers. Yes, Robert Shaw has played a role but they have a strong set up.

They do. And Watts was rated the number 1 young footballer of 2008 because of his performances in that very comp.

Jumbo the excuses don't cut it anymore.

At the risk of a ban, I would have thought that the very nature of a topic thread will mean that it goes off topic at times. Some of the more interesting responses are when it actually does so. Certainly, the more humorous can stray. Can we perhaps take this into consideration? If someone wants to debate whether a comma should be in a thread title then let them. Otherwise, footy can be a little boring. The best football has characters and, I would imagine, so do the best footy forums. It doesn't have to be a safe haven for the self righteous.

If only they were humorous.

The problem is incessant rambling, cluttering a thread with what I don't think even passes as comedy, so poor are the attempts.

It's just cringeworthy and makes everything more boring than it was otherwise.

If only they were humorous.

The problem is incessant rambling, cluttering a thread with what I don't think even passes as comedy, so poor are the attempts.

It's just cringeworthy and makes everything more boring than it was otherwise.

Machsy, if we get rid of those who go off topic who are the overly smug going to complain about? A case in point: I thought Watts and Pendlebury played different positions in basketball. I was wrong but, as quick as you like, you were there to label me a twit. I have no problem with that but If we follow the letter of the law re abusing others, I'd have to think you'd have a spell on the sidelines. To tell you the truth, relentlese teeth grinders such as yourself shite me to tears. It's a footy forum.

Have a great day.

They do. And Watts was rated the number 1 young footballer of 2008 because of his performances in that very comp.

Jumbo the excuses don't cut it anymore.

I'm not excusing them WYL.

All I'm saying is that draft position doesn't equate to 'elite' or 'champion' status.

They're average players, but lovely blokes.

I'm not excusing them WYL.

All I'm saying is that draft position doesn't equate to 'elite' or 'champion' status.

They're average players, but lovely blokes.

Ordinary blokes and elite players would suit me better jr.

Jumbo, I understand the perception but I just don't think it holds water. I do agree tin that I have no interest in their public relations skills when the footy isn't up to scratch.

Jumbo, I understand the perception but I just don't think it holds water. I do agree tin that I have no interest in their public relations skills when the footy isn't up to scratch.

Me too RtG

I would like a few poor humans who can really play!

Ordinary blokes and elite players would suit me better jr.

Jumbo, I understand the perception but I just don't think it holds water. I do agree tin that I have no interest in their public relations skills when the footy isn't up to scratch.

I'm clinging onto something here.....please let me have it.

The bloke who I hope changes perceptions is Salem. From the little I've seen, he plays like each game may be his last. Hopefully, this is replicated at senior level.

servicable does not equate to picks 1 or 2 in the draft.

Both these boys can play.

I saw Watts tear it up for Brighto Grammar on 2 occasions before he was picked.

It's upstairs where the coaching is needed. 2014 is the year we have to see some results.

So it shows that "tearing it up" in APS is a far cry from making the grade in AFL (unsurprisingly so).

Still better to dominated at some level than not (usually).

I will stick up for Brighton Grammar. For the numbers they have, they are producing an extraordinary number of footballers. Yes, Robert Shaw has played a role but they have a strong set up.

They have punched above their weight in recent seasons, at least as far as producing AFL players is concerned.

I'm not excusing them WYL.

All I'm saying is that draft position doesn't equate to 'elite' or 'champion' status.

They're average players, but lovely blokes.

So the club chose them because they are top blokes?

Sorry but i expect number 1&2 Draft picks to be able to play the game to a very high standard.

If not the MFC really stuffed it up incredibly, Which i agree is possible.

So the club chose them because they are top blokes?

Sorry but i expect number 1&2 Draft picks to be able to play the game to a very high standard.

If not the MFC really stuffed it up incredibly, Which i agree is possible.

I'm being facetious, as I'm trying to cling to any positives I can find.

2014 is the Year of the Horse....Longmire (Horse) coaches Swans....Roos coached Swans = premiership....Roos coaches Dees = premiership? *Sigh* Mebbe for Longmire.