He's not rated top 3 but we should seriously consider pulling the trigger early on this young man.

He is exactly what we need.

If he shows desperation, hardness at the ball and a will to be the best he can be then I think we should definitely look at him. Too many high draft picks are there on talent alone and people forget the single most important characteristic required, determination. I would rather us draft the most determined players ahead of the most talented.

I have faith in our recruitment now that Todd Viney's involved. He'll get it right.

It's the Cameron/Prendergast years that leave me cold.

If he shows desperation, hardness at the ball and a will to be the best he can be then I think we should definitely look at him. Too many high draft picks are there on talent alone and people forget the single most important characteristic required, determination. I would rather us draft the most determined players ahead of the most talented.

That's exactly how he plays football.

Although I'm more trusting of the recruiting team this time around, don't get sucked in too much with someone like Crouch. Every bio I've read on him says he needs work on his kicking and our side has plenty of players who can't kick.

I understand he is a contested king, but we need players with strengths in many areas of their game. It's not all about contested ball winners.

If it was, Couch and Magner would be getting a game every week for us.

Mark my words, this kid will be the best player of this draft next year, and after that, he is a clearance machine and loves the hard stuff, it probably goes against best available talent, but if we don't really consider pulling the trigger early on this kid we have made a serious mistake, would take him ahead of Aish in a heartbeat.

He's not rated top 3 but we should seriously consider pulling the trigger early on this young man.

He is exactly what we need.

Hard to see us taking him before Sheed considering Dom torn the whole of Vic Country a new one.

Hard to see us taking him before Sheed considering Dom torn the whole of Vic Country a new one.

I think if it comes to a choice we will take Aish or Sheed but if we were to trade Jack watts and get pick 10 or something like that, Crouch should be right on the radar.

personally i'd be happy with Crouch at 2 but that's just me.

Hard to see us taking him before Sheed considering Dom torn the whole of Vic Country a new one.

Crouch was better in the contested clearances though.

Any footage?

Any footage?

You would need to see if the AFL have the carnival games up on their website. It was covered by Fox.

Yeah Crouch seems like a ripper. I always find the hype around certain players quite interesting, in this years class of midfielders it's Aish.

People get so caught up with their preconceived notions or the media hype, they often fail to judge a player properly.

Such people will get easily excited by seeing a kick executed in slow motion, and judge him by selective statistics.

Now I'm not bagging Aish - I think he's a brilliant player, I just consider Aish, Sheed, and Crouch much closer than many others would.

Crouch was better in the contested clearances though.

Couldn't have him before Dom based on the Champs alone, Sheed really made an example of the whole Vic Country side.

I don't mind Crouch as a player and he has performed very well of late in the TAC.

But, I could not have Crouch above Sheed or Aish, but even still I've heard reports Matt is better than Brad - and I'd gladly give Adelaide our pick 2 for Brad.

So, if we do pull the trigger, I won't whinge a bit.

Probably rate him 6-12.

I like Dumont as a late pick and feel he fills a need as an inside midfielder.

I feel we will take Aish, the generally consensus seems to be that Aish falls at 2.

My thoughts on AIsh is that he is outside - and he certainly looks very outside in the SANFL, but people say he does play both.

So, whether he is just getting through the year given his shoulder, it's understandable and Aish is still getting in the bests in the SANFL.

I'm not against trading both our first picks - assuming we get a PP, I am happy to trade both.

Our forward line will improve ten fold with Clark, fit Dawes, Jesse Hogan, possibly even Jurrah - I'd back us to take him if Roos is coach.

We should chase some established mids, definitely look to trade a PP if we get one, we need results.

Yeah Crouch seems like a ripper. I always find the hype around certain players quite interesting, in this years class of midfielders it's Aish.

People get so caught up with their preconceived notions or the media hype, they often fail to judge a player properly.

Such people will get easily excited by seeing a kick executed in slow motion, and judge him by selective statistics.

Now I'm not bagging Aish - I think he's a brilliant player, I just consider Aish, Sheed, and Crouch much closer than many others would.

I consider Dumont as good if not better than Crouch and one of those could be there late, even still a good inside mid will slip to our second pick.

Couldn't have Crouch near Aish, Sheed, Billings or Kelly.

Although I'm more trusting of the recruiting team this time around, don't get sucked in too much with someone like Crouch. Every bio I've read on him says he needs work on his kicking and our side has plenty of players who can't kick.

I understand he is a contested king, but we need players with strengths in many areas of their game. It's not all about contested ball winners.

If it was, Couch and Magner would be getting a game every week for us.

There was a guy on 'On the Couch' the other night who went pick 10, needed a bit of work on his kicking. Not a bad player Dangerfield.

anyone who winged about taking toumpas over wines, crouch is this years wines

anyone who winged about taking toumpas over wines, crouch is this years wines

To my eye Wines was one of the top 3 players in the champs.

Crouch wasn't and Sheed really taken him to school when WA played Vic Country.

Oliver Wines stood our so far that it wasn't funny, Matt Crouch hasn't.

Toumpas cherry picked off half back whilst Wines was a beast and tackled like a maniac - that is why people whinge.

I'm not against Matt Crouch and I think he would fit well in our side, but Dustin Martin and Ollie Wines really stood out in the champs, like beacons.

Crouch didn't... The champs and senior football are a more accurate representation of AFL than TAC cup. Crouch is going well in the TAC - but don't jack off over that.

yeah, i think wines will come back to us at some point tbh, but i love the way crouch attacks the ball, dunstan, durmont and sheed are good too id love to get two of the above, if we can get pick 11 for watts id use that on crouch, 2 on sheed and 21 on durmont or dunstan

that kid bombeetti or something, any good?

To my eye Wines was one of the top 3 players in the champs.Crouch wasn't and Sheed really taken him to school when WA played Vic Country. Oliver Wines stood our so far that it wasn't funny, Matt Crouch hasn't. Toumpas cherry picked off half back whilst Wines was a beast and tackled like a maniac - that is why people whinge. I'm not against Matt Crouch and I think he would fit well in our side, but Dustin Martin and Ollie Wines really stood out in the champs, like beacons.Crouch didn't... The champs and senior football are a more accurate representation of AFL than TAC cup... Crouch is going well in the TAC - but don't jack off over that.

There is plenty of AFL stars that did not excel in u/18 champs. Patrick Dangerfield was so /so in his year. Crouch was coming back after injury. HE WILL BE A STAR. DO NOT DISMISS. Crouch is top 5-6 in my draft estimates the equal of Sheed.

anyone who winged about taking toumpas over wines, crouch is this years wines

Not really accurate assessment. Crouch is a lot shorter and lighter than Wines. Cripps is this years Wines.

Not really accurate assessment. Crouch is a lot shorter and lighter than Wines. Cripps is this years Wines.

As far as attack on the ball Crouch is this years Viney.

There is not a hope in hell Crouch goes before Aish or Kelly.

If we did take Crouch, then no complaints, but it won't happen.

Hoping we can manufacture a trade with Watts or something else that'll get us another first round pick in the 8-12 mark. Crouch would be ideal with a pick around that.

i reckon carlton will offer pick 11 and gws will offer pick 10, watts good form of late will be helping

Another best on ground today by Crouch, kid is building.