On 21/02/2014 at 10:19, The Hood said:

I happened to read an article in Fairfax today from some bleeding heart lefty going on about refugees languishing in camps outside Oz. he was scathing of the present government's secrecy and the previous Government's policies as well. Where do these guys come from I wonder, he talked of processing refugees in Indonesia while committing to take twice as many legitimate refugees. To give them hope and discourage them to take to a boat. Look I think the guy is delusional, not sure about his credentials either. Any one know about this guy, Malcolm Fraser?

I never voted for him but I wonder if current LNP voters ever stop to think about where they have come from over the last 40 years. The fact the Malcolm now sounds like a lefty says something I think. Labour voters could also have similar reflections on how far they have drifted to the right.

I don't vote for either by the way, just to set the record straight.

the affluent tidal flows that arrived corresponding with the warming oceans, has carried most all the flotsam to the starboard.

& i have voted for all 3 of them, at different times.

but effluence comes a sorry last to Egalitarianism. I wonder which shores that old Ozzie egalitarianism will wash up on next?

  On 21/02/2014 at 09:58, daisycutter said:

d-l you shouldn't presume who my mates are (especially when you are errogeneous)

why thanks daisy,

Scott Morrison has raised Cheney to a new level

We now have

Known don't knows

Unknown dont knows

don't know knowns

And the don't know don't knowns

Plus he's added

I don't want to know

I don't want you to know

I don't want you to know that I don't want to know

I don't want you to know that I dont want you to know that I don't want to know

That's enough

  On 21/02/2014 at 21:14, dpositive said:

Scott Morrison has raised Cheney to a new level

We now have

Known don't knows

Unknown dont knows

don't know knowns

And the don't know don't knowns

Plus he's added

I don't want to know

I don't want you to know

I don't want you to know that I don't want to know

I don't want you to know that I dont want you to know that I don't want to know

I think it was Donald Rumsfeld actually but him and Cheney whereas mad as each other.

That's enough

  On 21/02/2014 at 21:14, dpositive said:

Scott Morrison has raised Cheney to a new level

We now have

Known don't knows

Unknown dont knows

don't know knowns

And the don't know don't knowns

Plus he's added

I don't want to know

I don't want you to know

I don't want you to know that I don't want to know

I don't want you to know that I dont want you to know that I don't want to know

That's enough

I'm confused

  On 22/02/2014 at 12:49, dee-luded said:

I'm confused

We are all Dees supporters here so confusion is mandatory LOL

I think he was actually referring to Rummy. And this particular press conference.

I'm guessing this video would make Ben Hur and Robbie all warm and fuzzy inside. Oh for the days when conservative apparatchiks could talk any old bollocks and the media would just take their word for it.

  On 22/02/2014 at 12:49, dee-luded said:

I'm confused

I just dont know!

  On 23/02/2014 at 01:44, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I think he was actually referring to Rummy. And this particular press conference.

I'm guessing this video would make Ben Hur and Robbie all warm and fuzzy inside. Oh for the days when conservative apparatchiks could talk any old bollocks and the media would just take their word for it.

I know he is a DH as well as his war criminal mates.

What a dangerous man he is.

  On 23/02/2014 at 04:25, DemonFrog said:

I know he is a DH as well as his war criminal mates.

What a dangerous man he is.

actually, more than that, its less about them & more about the attitude that's dangerous. so many people justify these sorts of political decisions out of personal gains. Greed.

Iraq wasn't about weapons of mass destruction. it was more about occupying the middle Arabian ground, geographically dividing all the big Arab states & for the control of the Oil supplies.

its the prevalence of people happy to go along with illegitimate Wars & killing people for the sake of Power & control that's the curse of us all.

these blokes, Rumsfeld & 'W' Bush, are just figure heads on sticks of the Sickness.

  On 23/02/2014 at 07:00, dee-luded said:

actually, more than that, its less about them & more about the attitude that's dangerous. so many people justify these sorts of political decisions out of personal gains. Greed.

Iraq wasn't about weapons of mass destruction. it was more about occupying the middle Arabian ground, geographically dividing all the big Arab states & for the control of the Oil supplies.

its the prevalence of people happy to go along with illegitimate Wars & killing people for the sake of Power & control that's the curse of us all.

these blokes, Rumsfeld & 'W' Bush, are just figure heads on sticks of the Sickness.

Agree

The Bush family is also in to oil and will make money out of these actions.

IMO the Bush family is beyond contempt.

The Grandfather of G W Bush Jnr had his bank taken away from him as he was funding the German war effort. I am sure there is more evil acts but at this time I can not think of any.

  On 20/02/2014 at 11:05, Colin B. Flaubert said:

No one in the ALP would be that silly (and hopefully not that immoral)to do something to link the party via direct payments to Craig Thomson.

It was either him trying to maintain his alibi so he wouldn't look so blatant when he was denying everything. Or he genuinely did believe he was innocent.

Sorry Colin, but no cigar for you

  Quote

It says even more about the Labor Party that supported and protected him for years, even paying $348,000 of his legal bills so he could avoid bankruptcy and stay in parliament to prop up the Gillard government.

Craig Thomson’s sleaziness is now a matter of public record only because he stole from some of the most disadvantaged workers in the country to fund his escort habit and other less seedy pursuits. Last week magistrate Charlie Rozencwajg found Thomson guilty of using union funds for his personal use, describing the former MP’s conduct as “blatantly dishonest” and “an affront to commons sense”.

Rita Panahi

Here's a typical anti establishment Lefty, who denounces Jews, Abbott and anything corporate. Abuse is the domain of the Left. Posters on here will be proud of this comrades efforts.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=120_1392699996

There is no party that can be trusted.

Its now all about self interest and paying back political debts.

  On 23/02/2014 at 21:20, Hannibal said:

Here's a typical anti establishment Lefty, who denounces Jews, Abbott and anything corporate. Abuse is the domain of the Left.

So pick the biggest odd-ball nutcase, who accosts Prime Ministers in the street with no respect, and portray them as mainstream?

  On 23/02/2014 at 22:26, mauriesy said:

So pick the biggest odd-ball nutcase, who accosts Prime Ministers in the street with no respect, and portray them as mainstream?

Don't encourage him

He bad enough as it is.

  On 23/02/2014 at 22:26, mauriesy said:

So pick the biggest odd-ball nutcase, who accosts Prime Ministers in the street with no respect, and portray them as mainstream?

Unfortunately this type of behaviour is common place from the Left.

  On 23/02/2014 at 21:20, Hannibal said:

Here's a typical anti establishment Lefty, who denounces Jews, Abbott and anything corporate. Abuse is the domain of the Left. Posters on here will be proud of this comrades efforts.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=120_1392699996

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

  On 23/02/2014 at 22:26, mauriesy said:

So pick the biggest odd-ball nutcase, who accosts Prime Ministers in the street with no respect, and portray them as mainstream?

I am guessing this was just a weekend picnic with the purpose of discussing politics as a mere distraction.

And this was just an evening among university friends in which a local broadcaster gently poked fun at the PM's foibles.

Even last night at the 'Light the Dark' rally at Fed. Square, Tim Costello told the crowd that St. Paul's cathedral is getting angry, insulting and threatening phone calls for daring to hang a banner that reads 'Welcome all refugees'.

Yep, it's a real utopia of civility on the right. To be fair, the moderates on the right i.e. Ted Baillieu, Malcolm Turnbull don't usually get into the gutter. It's the far right that does.

EDIT: And how could I forget to combine both Alan Jones and those rallies in one fell swoop? It's like a cacophony of lunacy and juvenile bullying in one fell swoop.

  On 23/02/2014 at 21:20, daisycutter said:

Sorry Colin, but no cigar for you

Not to sound too cynical (and I have no interest in protecting the ALP or Thomson) but I would like to know where they got that figure from. Did they see the cheques when they were signed and the financial records? It may well be true but you are taking that a bit too much on face value there DC.

If I know the ALP (and I know a bit) and of politics in general what usually happens with these things is that some kind of union subsidiary or some group that is at arms length from the big boys pay the bills for these kind of things (and often do other kinds of dirty work). That allows the guys at the top to play D & D while a bunch of political hacks who no one has heard of take the heat for a short time before everyone forgets them and they can go back to selling their souls.

  On 24/02/2014 at 00:30, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Not to sound too cynical (and I have no interest in protecting the ALP or Thomson) but I would like to know where they got that figure from. Did they see the cheques when they were signed and the financial records? It may well be true but you are taking that a bit too much on face value there DC.

If I know the ALP (and I know a bit) and of politics in general what usually happens with these things is that some kind of union subsidiary or some group that is at arms length from the big boys pay the bills for these kind of things (and often do other kinds of dirty work). That allows the guys at the top to play D & D while a bunch of political hacks who no one has heard of take the heat for a short time before everyone forgets them and they can go back to selling their souls.

whether it was direct from a labor bank account or plausible deniability via the labor faceless men is splitting hairs colin and i couldn't give a fig

anyway, it's out there in the mainstream press, let's see if labor want to dispute it

348 gorillas is decent coin to pizz up against the wall

  On 24/02/2014 at 00:43, daisycutter said:

whether it was direct from a labor bank account or plausible deniability via the labor faceless men is splitting hairs colin and i couldn't give a fig

anyway, it's out there in the mainstream press, let's see if labor want to dispute it

348 gorillas is decent coin to pizz up against the wall

I think you may have misinterpreted my statement a little. I wasn't disputing if anyone in the ALP was immoral enough to pay for this. I KNOW there are people in there who are. It was more a statement of that they hopefully aren't that tactically stupid to make payments directly from head office. I was hoping that they wouldn't make payments to Craig Thomson for moral reasons but as I said, that was more hope than actual reality.

In the end, who paid what and so forth will be something no one can win on. The facts are the ALP is a huge organization that doesn't operate with a 'borg' style shared consciousness. There will be people in the organization and on the periphery who may be acting without head office being aware.

I don't have a good impression of the ALP but let's not pretend they are something they aren't. They are cynical, Machiavellian and opportunistic, yes. However, they are more Malcolm Tucker than Boris Badenov.

This is why Tony Abbott is ridiculed. It matters not which side of the asylum seeker debate you are on surely all sides must scratch their heads when he comes out with these gems.

At his press conference on Saturday when he said of the home insulation inquiry: "We've established a royal commission because we want to get to the bottom of the most incompetently managed program in Australia's history. Can any of you think of a government program that actually killed people?"

Er yes - how about Manus Island ??

Abbott is right about the mismanagement on the pink batts issue but seriously are you that incompetent a politician that you couldn't have chosen your words a little more carefully ?

I was no fan of Howard but admired his political skill and his carefully chosen pronouncements. Like or dislike his views I think he was the consummate politician.Tony Abbott is just a buffoon who doesn't engage brain before running off at the mouth.

  On 24/02/2014 at 00:18, hardtack said:

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

  On 24/02/2014 at 02:52, nutbean said:

This is why Tony Abbott is ridiculed. It matters not which side of the asylum seeker debate you are on surely all sides must scratch their heads when he comes out with these gems.

At his press conference on Saturday when he said of the home insulation inquiry: "We've established a royal commission because we want to get to the bottom of the most incompetently managed program in Australia's history. Can any of you think of a government program that actually killed people?"

Er yes - how about Manus Island ??

Abbott is right about the mismanagement on the pink batts issue but seriously are you that incompetent a politician that you couldn't have chosen your words a little more carefully ?

I was no fan of Howard but admired his political skill and his carefully chosen pronouncements. Like or dislike his views I think he was the consummate politician.Tony Abbott is just a buffoon who doesn't engage brain before running off at the mouth.