Trying going back a little further mate.

Stu, even if you prescribe to the theory that Neeld is to blame for Beamer's sudden disenchantment and dramatic drop in form in 2012, he's not a child. He takes a portion of that blame himself, it's just debatable as to how much.

He served the club he loved well, but some of his true colours were shown in how he handled his situation last year. If he kept his head down and got in with it, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.instead he chose a path which, like it or hate it, [censored] on some of the legacy he left behind.

Stu, even if you prescribe to the theory that Neeld is to blame for Beamer's sudden disenchantment and dramatic drop in form in 2012, he's not a child. He takes a portion of that blame himself, it's just debatable as to how much.

He served the club he loved well, but some of his true colours were shown in how he handled his situation last year. If he kept his head down and got in with it, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.instead he chose a path which, like it or hate it, [censored] on some of the legacy he left behind.

I actually don't know what the problem was, and truth is none of us do. That's why I get sick of all the rubbish being spewed about how he "cracked it" or didn't "buy in" etc etc.

Surely the reasonable answer is it was a combination of factors. Just find all the bagging out too unbalanced.

Stu, even if you prescribe to the theory that Neeld is to blame for Beamer's sudden disenchantment and dramatic drop in form in 2012, he's not a child. He takes a portion of that blame himself, it's just debatable as to how much.

He served the club he loved well, but some of his true colours were shown in how he handled his situation last year. If he kept his head down and got in with it, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.instead he chose a path which, like it or hate it, [censored] on some of the legacy he left behind.

Apart from 3 or 4 players, the rest of our players probably didn't buy in last year. Green mentioned it a few times in his retirement press conference. A number of our players looked like they dropped their bundle. Moloney was just seen to be the most visible one.

Many of our other players escaped scrutiny. 15 are now gone from last years list. Many who stayed on our list escaped the heat. They are now belatedly copping it and not within time.

The bigger picture should always be looked at and context should never be conveniently ignored. If people were a bit more balanced then this debate/argument wouldn't be happening.

Edited April 27, 201312 yr by Macca

Macca, do you agree that Moloney had severe deficiencies to his defensive game even before Neeld came to the club? Do you also agree that for a player whose game was built on attack he failed to hurt the opposition by impacting the scoreboard often enough?

Macca, do you agree that Moloney had severe deficiencies to his defensive game even before Neeld came to the club? Do you also agree that for a player whose game was built on attack he failed to hurt the opposition by impacting the scoreboard often enough?

We've had/have an absolute stack of players with deficiencies in their defensive side. That's why we get pumped most of the time. Check the scores in the first 3 rounds for the direct evidence. Apart from Clark, do we have any players that impact the scoreboard on a consistent basis? The focus should be broadened, not narrowed.

Moloney is an attacking midfielder with not much of a defensive side to his game. That's it. You won't change him so why bother. With a 28 year old, you're better off dealing with what you've got and then try to get the best out of that players good points. To do otherwise is most probably a complete and utter waste of time. Like playing Rivers in the forward line - almost a total waste of time and effort. Trying to turn Moloney into a defensive half forward at his age was a poor decision. Should we do the same with Jones?

Here's one for you ...

Skilton used Laurie Fowler at the centre bounces in 1975 because he believed that Wells didn't have much a defensive side to his game. Wells was a gun in my opinion. Check Demonwiki for the proof of that information.

Edited April 27, 201312 yr by Macca

Macca, do you agree that Moloney had severe deficiencies to his defensive game even before Neeld came to the club? Do you also agree that for a player whose game was built on attack he failed to hurt the opposition by impacting the scoreboard often enough?

Or supporters that spew stuff like that about a best and fairest winner....

Fair point Stu, my post probably should have been more 'balanced', and to be fair, I should have shown a bit more respect to a B&F winner. However, I maintain that Moloney showed the traits I mentioned too often over his career at Melbourne, and in particular, I find it inexcusable that a professional sportsman should 'drop his head' throughout a full season, no matter what the reason.

My main concern is that no one has stepped up and replaced the finger. How is anyone to know where to go or who has done the wrong thing without BM's pointing finger telling them?

My main concern is that no one has stepped up and replaced the finger. How is anyone to know where to go or who has done the wrong thing without BM's pointing finger telling them?

My main concern is that no one has stepped up and replaced the finger. How is anyone to know where to go or who has done the wrong thing without BM's pointing finger telling them?

Watching us this year we actually look like we could do with someone out there doing some finger pointing.

You are by far the worst poster on this site, if you cant contribute you put up a crap photo,if you dont have anything to say do the whole of Demonland a solid and dont press POST.

yeah stuie, do a solid.

bet you can't find a gif for that

You are by far the worst poster on this site, if you cant contribute you put up a crap photo,if you dont have anything to say do the whole of Demonland a solid and dont press POST.

I was using that photo to say something.

May have gone over your head my friend.

I was using that photo to say something.

May have gone over your head my friend.

Spell blowfly mate, your a good contributer when your running, those photos let you down stuie.

Spell blowfly mate, your a good contributer when your running, those photos let you down stuie.

To be honest, using gifs is a way of using irony to reflect the current sad state of MFC and Demonland.

All the conspiracy theories, buzz words, insults... it's all a bit of a mess at the moment.

To be honest, using gifs is a way of using irony to reflect the current sad state of MFC and Demonland.

All the conspiracy theories, buzz words, insults... it's all a bit of a mess at the moment.

Fair enough mate, i reckon we will be two on the trot tomorrow, you can only be crap for so long,its going to turn around.

yeah stuie, do a solid.

bet you can't find a gif for that

I wouldnt want to take that bet or see it.

Fair enough mate, i reckon we will be two on the trot tomorrow, you can only be crap for so long,its going to turn around.

I like your optimism, but don't know if I'd go with that logic when it comes to MFC...

To be honest, using gifs is a way of using irony to reflect the current sad state of MFC and Demonland.

All the conspiracy theories, buzz words, insults... it's all a bit of a mess at the moment.

Haha yeah right, irony - more like a way of trying to ridicule someone when you can't use facts or logic to create a coherent argument. It's the internet equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" Now go and post more hypocritical rubbish about negative lynch-mobs looking to tear the club apart with their buzz-words while every other post you make is lobbying for the coach to be sacked.

Haha yeah right, irony - more like a way of trying to ridicule someone when you can't use facts or logic to create a coherent argument. It's the internet equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" Now go and post more hypocritical rubbish about negative lynch-mobs looking to tear the club apart with their buzz-words while every other post you make is lobbying for the coach to be sacked.

dunno about lynch mobs

i worry about "the day of the gifs"

You know whats really funny, that your probably DOUBLE the age of stuie.

Yep that's the reaction you have to all my posts. I guess you're right, it is easier to just post that instead of wasting your time dribbling a bunch of long-winded crap.

Edited April 27, 201312 yr by Dr. Gonzo