On 02/04/2013 at 03:06, Dr. Gonzo said:

The players are part of (the most important part of) the club. All you are doing in this thread is proving you have NFI whatsoever about the operations of a modern day professional footy club. You've still failed to answer how Schwab has been successful considering the facilities were set up by the previous admin, the business model is unsustainable, our membership base has shrunk and will shrink again this year and the performance of the club/team has gone backwards at worst and failed to improve at best in the last couple of years. Why do you think he was on the verge of being sacked in 2011 before Bailey got the chop? Or do you think that is just more conspiracies to unseat the great man?

Here's some facts:

Our membership has NOT shrunk. It's gone up every year since 2006, albeit with a slight drop last year obviously due to our rubbish efforts ON FIELD.

Our CLUB was unsustainable before Schwab came in. Sure we have relied on donations etc but we're still here.

Schwab has overseen the addition of sponsors and in this article: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-resign-key-players-schwab-20120805-23nfg.html he is praised for his handling of our business maters.

After 186 we sacked the COACH not the CEO, what does that tell you?

Bloody hell.......I'm just so over DL at the moment.....We are at each others throats..to see who can be the cattiest....and who we should blame the most......And on and on it goes......Time to take the pup for a walk and forget about footy for a while.......

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:11, rjay said:

answer the next question 'stuie', you're deflecting again.

To be honest, I'm not interested in answering your questions.

We have different opinions, get over it.

I don't need to defend my opinion to you.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:20, stuie said:

To be honest, I'm not interested in answering your questions.

We have different opinions, get over it.

I don't need to defend my opinion to you.

No mate you don't because you know where this was heading and it was giving you the proof you keep telling me I haven't put up that you well know is staring you in the face every time you look at this forum.

Well you've already admitted that the CEO has an impact on the performance of the team on ground so that's enough for me. I will leave you alone.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:19, stuie said:

Here's some facts:

Our membership has NOT shrunk. It's gone up every year since 2006, albeit with a slight drop last year obviously due to our rubbish efforts ON FIELD.

Our CLUB was unsustainable before Schwab came in. Sure we have relied on donations etc but we're still here.

Schwab has overseen the addition of sponsors and in this article: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-resign-key-players-schwab-20120805-23nfg.html he is praised for his handling of our business maters.

After 186 we sacked the COACH not the CEO, what does that tell you?

Membership decreased last year and will again this year - that is shrinking.

What happened before Schwab is irrelevant - the business model under Schwab is unsustainable.

Sponsors have been largely gained through efforts of supporters and one in particular (Hankook) was disenfranchised and pulled his money despite being a long term supporter of the MFC.

The article you referred to he is praised by McLardy who just reappointed him - wow what a surprise!

After 186 we sacked the coach but the CEO's head was on the chopping block the day before? Why? You've failed to answer that.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:24, rjay said:

No mate you don't because you know where this was heading and it was giving you the proof you keep telling me I haven't put up that you well know is staring you in the face every time you look at this forum.

Well you've already admitted that the CEO has an impact on the performance of the team on ground so that's enough for me. I will leave you alone.

Haha it's heading nowhere mate because you have no real facts or proof.

Get over it......This childish bickering is getting boring....

As far as I'm concerned, Schwab and Connolly stuffed up this club royally when, under Dean Bailey, they stuck their beaks into the Footy Dept and tried to micro-manage. They introduced politics into the playing group and caused rifts that still reverberate amongst the players. And inevitablly, when the sh*t hit the fan, Schwab distanced himself as any politician would. Can't stand the bloke and I'm sure a lot of our players can't either. But McLardy and the board seem mesmerised by him...

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:35, Buffalo said:

As far as I'm concerned, Schwab and Connolly stuffed up this club royally when, under Dean Bailey, they stuck their beaks into the Footy Dept and tried to micro-manage. They introduced politics into the playing group and caused rifts that still reverberate amongst the players. And inevitablly, when the sh*t hit the fan, Schwab distanced himself as any politician would. Can't stand the bloke and I'm sure a lot of our players can't either. But McLardy and the board seem mesmerised by him...

That's hearsay and opinion.

Provide facts.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:08, Weedster said:

Absolutely true. CS has done an amazing job keeping the club up and about commercially. Hard to imagine too many tougher gigs in footy - getting sponsors on the back of our performances.

No, he's done an amazing job at selling snake oil to gullible members.

It's okay, he's being found out now. He'll go. He's been exposed, finally.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:40, Range Rover said:

No, he's done an amazing job at selling snake oil to gullible members.

It's okay, he's being found out now. He'll go. He's been exposed, finally.

Haha another insightful, factual post about the CEO RR.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:20, stuie said:

To be honest, I'm not interested in answering your questions.

We have different opinions, get over it.

I don't need to defend my opinion to you.

Hard to defend ignorance I'll agree.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:45, Range Rover said:

Hard to defend ignorance I'll agree.

Yet try you do.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:36, stuie said:

That's hearsay and opinion.

Provide facts.

The napkin story, every White Board Wednesday and Caro's article after 186 are all evidence that Schwab's finger prints were all over the footy department under Bailey. He then became divisive when his youth strategy wasn't panning out and we got a new coach and embarked on a completely different approach.

Anyway, the key problem with Schwab is that he is the invisible man because he has no credibility. We need a voice at a time when the rich clubs are getting richer and the poor are going the way of Fitzroy.

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:54, Fat Tony said:

The napkin story, every White Board Wednesday and Caro's article after 186 are all evidence that Schwab's finger prints were all over the footy department under Bailey. He then became divisive when his youth strategy wasn't panning out and we got a new coach and embarked on a completely different approach.

Anyway, the key problem with Schwab is that he is the invisible man because he has no credibility. We need a voice at a time when the rich clubs are getting richer and the poor are going the way of Fitzroy.

So, a rumour, a video segment you didn't like, and an article by someone who's known to have an anti-Schwab agenda... hmmmmm... not exactly facts.

go schwabby - a massive vote of confidence from me

done wonders with a club that was dieing.......we should be looking at neil craigs, royals etc before we look at schwab as they have more control than him on the players

keep on punchin schwabby. you must be thinkin ive got rid of the debt, given them first class training facilties and i still put up with abuse

  On 02/04/2013 at 03:57, stuie said:

So, a rumour, a video segment you didn't like, and an article by someone who's known to have an anti-Schwab agenda... hmmmmm... not exactly facts.

Why was the club going to sack him on the eve of 186? You seem incapable of answering this simple question.

There are probably a number of factors behind our current situation, but first and foremost we have a very poor list which has been, in part, handpicked by the coach and one he's called "his list". We have a huge problem getting our hands on the ball during a match and that's the fault of the coach and how he prepares and instructs the players; that in itself has nothing to do with the board or the CEO, it's a football matter.

The other issue is the Board and CEO who may, or may not, be steering us in the right direction; they should be looked at as a separately.

I don't recall Neeld or any other member of the FD saying at any stage that the were frustrated by the Board/CEO, they may be but all I've heard so far are reports from Demonlanders and Journalists. Can't we just accept the facts that we have a poor list, we've probably made the wrong choice as a coach and then try and work out how to fix that?

I understand that the Board chose the coach and they have to accept the responsibility for that, I also understand that we don't have the greatest President in the competition and the Board lack football nouse but they were the only ones who stood up at the AGM and put their names up for the positions. I'm sure that if someone else who was vastly superior to McLardy wanted the position then he could be convinced to stand aside; one thing about McLardy he is passionate about the club and wouldn't try to hurt it in any way.

I have reservations about Schwab because I personally think he puts his energy in to the wrong areas and that applies to a lot of the Admin staff at the club. I won't elaborate but they do tend to ignore those that contribute and prefer their own company.

He just needs to go. It's as simple as that.

  On 02/04/2013 at 04:46, Dr. Gonzo said:

Why was the club going to sack him on the eve of 186? You seem incapable of answering this simple question.

Do you have physical proof they were going to sack him? I've heard rumours but that's all.

If it's true, what facts do you have about why they were going to?

If it's such a simple question then answer it yourself.

In the end, neither of us are on the board, so we don't know any of this.

  On 02/04/2013 at 04:49, RobbieF said:

There are probably a number of factors behind our current situation, but first and foremost we have a very poor list which has been, in part, handpicked by the coach and one he's called "his list". We have a huge problem getting our hands on the ball during a match and that's the fault of the coach and how he prepares and instructs the players; that in itself has nothing to do with the board or the CEO, it's a football matter.

The other issue is the Board and CEO who may, or may not, be steering us in the right direction; they should be looked at as a separately.

I don't recall Neeld or any other member of the FD saying at any stage that the were frustrated by the Board/CEO, they may be but all I've heard so far are reports from Demonlanders and Journalists. Can't we just accept the facts that we have a poor list, we've probably made the wrong choice as a coach and then try and work out how to fix that?

I understand that the Board chose the coach and they have to accept the responsibility for that, I also understand that we don't have the greatest President in the competition and the Board lack football nouse but they were the only ones who stood up at the AGM and put their names up for the positions. I'm sure that if someone else who was vastly superior to McLardy wanted the position then he could be convinced to stand aside; one thing about McLardy he is passionate about the club and wouldn't try to hurt it in any way.

I have reservations about Schwab because I personally think he puts his energy in to the wrong areas and that applies to a lot of the Admin staff at the club. I won't elaborate but they do tend to ignore those that contribute and prefer their own company.

'Robbie' it would be better if you did elaborate, you've eluded to things like this in the past and as a contributor to the club as you are it is important that you speak out on things that effect the running of the club.

  On 02/04/2013 at 04:53, Range Rover said:

He just needs to go. It's as simple as that.

That's about as far as your logic extends.

I can imagine the conversation...

McLardy: "Sorry Cam, time to clean out your desk..."

Schwab: "How come?"

McLardy: "Range Rover on Demonland said so"

Schwab: "What was his reasoning?"

McLardy: "Because he said so..."

Schwab: "Dammit, how can I argue with that logic...."

  On 02/04/2013 at 04:55, stuie said:

Do you have physical proof they were going to sack him? I've heard rumours but that's all.

If it's true, what facts do you have about why they were going to?

If it's such a simple question then answer it yourself.

In the end, neither of us are on the board, so we don't know any of this.

You are not interested in proof, if you answer my question I will give you the proof you don't want.

"is the football club really only the sum of it's members and are the board appointed by the members to act in their interests?"

To paraphrase Douglas Adams. Schwab: "So long, and thanks for Mitchell Clark"

  On 02/04/2013 at 04:49, RobbieF said:

There are probably a number of factors behind our current situation, but first and foremost we have a very poor list which has been, in part, handpicked by the coach and one he's called "his list". We have a huge problem getting our hands on the ball during a match and that's the fault of the coach and how he prepares and instructs the players; that in itself has nothing to do with the board or the CEO, it's a football matter.

The other issue is the Board and CEO who may, or may not, be steering us in the right direction; they should be looked at as a separately.

I don't recall Neeld or any other member of the FD saying at any stage that the were frustrated by the Board/CEO, they may be but all I've heard so far are reports from Demonlanders and Journalists. Can't we just accept the facts that we have a poor list, we've probably made the wrong choice as a coach and then try and work out how to fix that?

I understand that the Board chose the coach and they have to accept the responsibility for that, I also understand that we don't have the greatest President in the competition and the Board lack football nouse but they were the only ones who stood up at the AGM and put their names up for the positions. I'm sure that if someone else who was vastly superior to McLardy wanted the position then he could be convinced to stand aside; one thing about McLardy he is passionate about the club and wouldn't try to hurt it in any way.

I have reservations about Schwab because I personally think he puts his energy in to the wrong areas and that applies to a lot of the Admin staff at the club. I won't elaborate but they do tend to ignore those that contribute and prefer their own company.

Great post. Particularly agree with the part in bold.

I'm not saying the board is untouchable, but screaming for the head of the CEO after a weak effort by the players and coach is typical old school MFC supporter rubbish.