So the SANFL/WAFL/VFL is the best we can hope for in the future??? This can only be because we're really struggling to get anybody AFL to talk to us.

Yep, that must be it, that's the only reason I can think of as well.

Retired: Green

Farewell: Liam Jurrah

Free agents: Moloney & Rivers

Delisted: Bate, Bennell, Bartram, Davey, Davis, Cook.

Trade/delist: Petterd, Jetta, Morton.

Thats 13 off ... (

Foundation (12): Jones, Frawley, Clark, Trengove, Grimes, Howe, Jamar, Sylvia, J Mckenzie, T Mcdonald, Blease, Tapscott

On thin ice (3): Gawn (need him to stand up), Watts (intensity?) Garland (must cement the key back role)

Keep (8): Martin (huge upside) & Spencer (for ruck depth), Gysberts, Strauss, Dunn, Joel Macdonald, Sellar, Bail

Develop (4): Fitzpatrick, Nicholson (elevated rookie), Taggert, Tynan.

So we must add 12 more as Nicholson is elevated.

Targets (Trade, Free agents & Psd): Travis Boak, Brendan Goddard, Josh Caddy, Ben Jacobs, Koby Stevens, Shaun Mckernan, Chris Knights, Xavier Ellis, Ashley Smith, Callum Bartlett.

Draft: 3 (Jimmy Toumpas),4 (Oliver Wines), 13 (Sam Colquohoun), 25 (Jack Viney), 45 (Nathan Wright), 65 (Dean Towers).

A friend of mine caught up with a friend of theirs that works within the club. He believes the club will turn over up to 15 players depending on trades etc. Apparently Neeld hasnt been overly impressed with a large part of the list and wants to make massive changes. The plan is to replace them with draft picks and to find the top half dozen SANFL/WAFL & VFL players to replace them. I know people criticise on here when you use the friend of a friend line however I have been told things in the past through this guy and have turned out to be corrrect so take it as you like, and before you ask not sure of the guys name, not a known person but involved in the football department.

I'm happy for it to happen we all have our favorite players however to really only beat one team for the year (i dont count GWS, GC) it is time for big changes!

I like it.

If we hypothetically needed to shed 18 soso players from our list, I'd rather we bite the bullett this year & do 12 this year, & 6 next year.

Make it so.

I am sure it is mate.

He has probably no trade value

So we might as well keep him

I actually think he has some value to us.

Does not get the ball as much as in the past but every kick goes where he aims it.

That already puts him in front of 10 others on our list.

And what about the head over the ball culture?

Were just going to differ OD.

To me the cleanout is about changing the Culture fist, & the list quality will follow up.

I think you will find it is him wanting out Choko not the other way round.

Boy wants to go

Well if Gys wants out himself, we may be able to facilitate a trade with GWS or the Suns, for someone?

Well if Gys wants out himself, we may be able to facilitate a trade with GWS or the Suns, for someone?

Straight swap for Caddy?

I reckon we should be going hard for Quinten Lynch. Woosha has dropped him 2 games out from the finals. Its clear to me and im sure its clear to Lynch too that he'd only be a back up if he stays at the Eagles

Straight swap for Caddy?

Not for me but I have a low opinion of Caddy.

And what about the head over the ball culture?

Were just going to differ OD.

To me the cleanout is about changing the Culture fist, & the list quality will follow up.

The only difference dee-luded we have is I seriously doubt the MFC will de list him and then have to pay out his contract.

IMO he will be at the MFC in 2013

Whether we can get some value out of him is the sticking point.

Time will tell mate

and it is ok to disagree only opinions after all

So the SANFL/WAFL/VFL is the best we can hope for in the future???

This can only be because we're really struggling to get anybody AFL to talk to us.

Wait and see.

I'm looking forward to our list changes, and I'm excited about the trade/draft period, but I'm actually starting to get worried about the amount of players voluntarily leaving.

My one concern about Neeld is that he has a very boss mentality, as opposed to someone like say Brad Scott who seems like a tough leader but sticks up for his players and has them on side.

Retired: Green

Farewell: Liam Jurrah

Free agents: Moloney & Rivers

Delisted: Bate, Bennell, Bartram, Davey, Davis, Cook.

Trade/delist: Petterd, Jetta, Morton.

Thats 13 off ... (

Foundation (12): Jones, Frawley, Clark, Trengove, Grimes, Howe, Jamar, Sylvia, J Mckenzie, T Mcdonald, Blease, Tapscott

On thin ice (3): Gawn (need him to stand up), Watts (intensity?) Garland (must cement the key back role)

Keep (8): Martin (huge upside) & Spencer (for ruck depth), Gysberts, Strauss, Dunn, Joel Macdonald, Sellar, Bail

Develop (4): Fitzpatrick, Nicholson (elevated rookie), Taggert, Tynan.

So we must add 12 more as Nicholson is elevated.

Targets (Trade, Free agents & Psd): Travis Boak, Brendan Goddard, Josh Caddy, Ben Jacobs, Koby Stevens, Shaun Mckernan, Chris Knights, Xavier Ellis, Ashley Smith, Callum Bartlett.

Draft: 3 (Jimmy Toumpas),4 (Oliver Wines), 13 (Sam Colquohoun), 25 (Jack Viney), 45 (Nathan Wright), 65 (Dean Towers).

I don't think any of Watts, Garland or Gawn are on thin ice. At the risk of turning this thread into another Jack Watts debate, he isn't even close to being on thin ice. Although he may never be worthy of his #1 title (I think he will be, but that's besides the point), he still plays a very important role for our team and will be a valuable player for us.

I do like your list of targets/draft though.

I think perhaps neeld has challenged a few and they havent responded. I imagine Brad Scott would be pretty harsh in that situation as well.

We've been hearing constantly in the press and in the releases on the MFC website that the list will be culled. A few are just getting out before they are culled I think.

All the mail is saying one thing - Expect a total cull

I think perhaps neeld has challenged a few and they havent responded. I imagine Brad Scott would be pretty harsh in that situation as well.

We've been hearing constantly in the press and in the releases on the MFC website that the list will be culled. A few are just getting out before they are culled I think.

All the mail is saying one thing - Expect a total cull

Sounds like the start of another rebuild....

I think perhaps neeld has challenged a few and they havent responded. I imagine Brad Scott would be pretty harsh in that situation as well.

We've been hearing constantly in the press and in the releases on the MFC website that the list will be culled. A few are just getting out before they are culled I think.

All the mail is saying one thing - Expect a total cull

I guess getting rid of Moloney also gets rid of his pay cheque? hopefully we have room to lure a big fish on great money