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Ok. My understanding is should any player leave your club or join then the League will apply a vlue to that loss/gain and when the dust settles ascribe a compensatory pick.

Two questions:

When are these picks used ? I.e. The current draft or next years ? I understand also they arent bankable.

Other question:

If a club has an overall benefit due to FA movements are they docked ? OR is it only applicable to teams that lose out ?

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They cannot be banked and have to be used in the upcoming draft, don't know how they figure out what pick to give though.

They cannot be banked and have to be used in the upcoming draft, don't know how they figure out what pick to give though.

So some round 1 compensations picks could interfere with our pick 12/13?

 

We might not get anything if we sign a few FAs of our own...

If Moloney would like to go I would prefer we trade him to the team by threatening to match his offer and keep him.

But they may just say 'screw it, we will see you in the draft Brent' and they may get him that way.

So some round 1 compensations picks could interfere with our pick 12/13?

Maybe more likely, 2nd Rnd or 3rd Rnd picks would be impacted.

I don't think their will be many or any top 15 picks unless Collingwood get one for Cloke.

What if Collingwood get awarded Pick 1 ??? What IF they get awarded 2 Picks.


Maybe more likely, 2nd Rnd or 3rd Rnd picks would be impacted.

I don't think their will be many or any top 15 picks unless Collingwood get one for Cloke.

What if Collingwood get awarded Pick 1 ??? What IF they get awarded 2 Picks.

Doesn't work that way, it's tied to their finishing position on the ladder (as were ours, Geelong, Dogs etc.) so the earliest pick they will get will be past our 2 compo picks.

I don't like the idea of a comprised draft with priorty and compensations picks. 18 clubs should mean 18picks per round. Better to keep it simple.

If Cloke leaves Collingwood...Cloke will be getting approx 1mil over 5years.

Would it be fair for the AFL to hand the new clubs first round draft pick to Collingwood as compenstation? Based on what he will be getting paid etc.

Doesn't work that way, it's tied to their finishing position on the ladder (as were ours, Geelong, Dogs etc.) so the earliest pick they will get will be past our 2 compo picks.

Wow, I hope thats right. Otherwise we'll see top teams doing this, allowing surplus players go to Rort the Draft.

 

What does this mean, if someone signs Brent, we will have to give up draft picks as well to compensate the team that signs him..

Here's a good article from The Age that clarifies a few concerns.

These are compensation picks for the loss/gain of free agents. The picks are in addition to the picks we would normally get and are doled out by the AFL (No-one has to use their normal/standard draft picks)

They can't be banked (as has been previously mentioned)

The highest compensation possible is a first round pick, taken after the clubs normal pick (based on finishing position)


Here's a good article from The Age that clarifies a few concerns.

These are compensation picks for the loss/gain of free agents. The picks are in addition to the picks we would normally get and are doled out by the AFL (No-one has to use their normal/standard draft picks)

They can't be banked (as has been previously mentioned)

The highest compensation possible is a first round pick, taken after the clubs normal pick (based on finishing position)

Yes that's a good article thanks. Interesting that the lowest compensation is a 3rd round pick - that could be quite a good deal in some cases.

Any chance we could get picks 3,4,5 if beamer (longer service, reigning bnf and top 5 finishes, big $$) and rivers (long service, high bnf finishes) and bate (long service) all go elsewhere?

Any chance we could get picks 3,4,5 if beamer (longer service, reigning bnf and top 5 finishes, big $$) and rivers (long service, high bnf finishes) and bate (long service) all go elsewhere?

Bloody interesting question.

My opinion:

I don't think they will be bundled together.

But, I think when the dust settles after FA the AFL will give picks based on the 'net loss' of players and their worth.

ie. Gain 2 players at the 3rd band and lost 3 players (2 at 2nd band, 1 at the 3rd band) - Gain one pick at the first band (equation done using a 'points' system of 5 for the first band and 1 for the last band).

Bloody interesting question.

Hehehehe Collingwood would only receive pick 18 if they lost Cloke! Love it.

October 19, 5pm - Close to Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

October 26, 2pm - End of Trade Period.

Wonder when the compensation picks will be awarded - they'd have to be super-quick if the picks were to be tradable.


October 19, 5pm - Close to Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

October 26, 2pm - End of Trade Period.

Wonder when the compensation picks will be awarded - they'd have to be super-quick if the picks were to be tradable.

I'm lead to believe we will know by the Monday morning giving us the 5 days to trade them. Basically this is why trade week was extended to deal with FA's.

Any chance we could get picks 3,4,5 if beamer (longer service, reigning bnf and top 5 finishes, big $$) and rivers (long service, high bnf finishes) and bate (long service) all go elsewhere?

You are a smart man and exactly our strategy - why we have left so many free agents on the table. This is not to say we wont offer them deals we just have to wait for the interest. However, at this stage interest has been good but all positions are fluid and quickly changeable.

The key point is Free agency benefits lower finishing sides. :o

Bet you never will guess who is the lowest finishing side with free agents.

All of the info out from the AFL has been vague about the vlaue of picks that will be given but I have come up with a rough theory to work out what pick(s) clubs will get for FA.

rpfc's idea of how it will work:

There are 5 bands of compensation - from mid-1st round to 3rd round. I will give the highest band 5 points and the lowest 1 point.

If your team loses 3 players that earns you 3 2nd band picks you will 'earn' 12 points.

If your team signs 2 players at the 1st band they will 'lose' 10 points.

Leaving them with 2 'net' points one draft pick at the 4th band.

It must stay based on points and not on how many 'net' players a team has.

So if a team 'earns' 12 points and sign no FAs then perhaps you can just award based on how many players lost (3 picks for 3 players), but what if you have signed one player but have 11 points left over?

Would you get 2 1st band picks and a 5th band pick for the 'net' loss of two players?

Sorry, this stuff is complicated...

mid first rounder would be nice.

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All of the info out from the AFL has been vague about the vlaue of picks that will be given but I have come up with a rough theory to work out what pick(s) clubs will get for FA.

rpfc's idea of how it will work:

There are 5 bands of compensation - from mid-1st round to 3rd round. I will give the highest band 5 points and the lowest 1 point.

If your team loses 3 players that earns you 3 2nd band picks you will 'earn' 12 points.

If your team signs 2 players at the 1st band they will 'lose' 10 points.

Leaving them with 2 'net' points one draft pick at the 4th band.

It must stay based on points and not on how many 'net' players a team has.

So if a team 'earns' 12 points and sign no FAs then perhaps you can just award based on how many players lost (3 picks for 3 players), but what if you have signed one player but have 11 points left over?

Would you get 2 1st band picks and a 5th band pick for the 'net' loss of two players?

Sorry, this stuff is complicated...

You only receive compensation if you lose more players than you gain. For instance Collingwood could lose Cloke and then sign Bate as a Free Agent and wouldn't be rewarded with any compensation


You only receive compensation if you lose more players than you gain. For instance Collingwood could lose Cloke and then sign Bate as a Free Agent and wouldn't be rewarded with any compensation

Err - the relative value of the players is considered too.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/free-agency-banking-ban-hits-top-clubs-20120822-24mtt.html

Critically, the AFL will award a club ''net'' compensation for losing or gaining a free agent player. Thus, if St Kilda lost Brendon Goddard, but gained another player, the compensation would be based on the difference between the players.

If the player gained is judged to be at the same level to the one lost, the relevant club would receive nothing.

The Age article is more recent and has the input of "The AFL's head of game development, Andrew Dillon."

 

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