Often we come away feeling lucky to escape with a draw if the game ends that way. But there must be situations when a team comes away feeling that it is a loss. Can there be a situation when both come away feeling like losers.?

I figure it could be this week, Dogs verses Demons. Both are desperate for a win, becasue if they don't win, one wonders how bleak will it be looking for that first win.

At the present time, every team bar GWS would consider a draw against Melbourne a 'loss', including the Suns.

Often we come away feeling lucky to escape with a draw if the game ends that way. But there must be situations when a team comes away feeling that it is a loss. Can there be a situation when both come away feeling like losers.?

I figure it could be this week, Dogs verses Demons. Both are desperate for a win, becasue if they don't win, one wonders how bleak will it be looking for that first win.

When it's the last round of the season and 2 points get you into the top 8.

That is a win from a draw.

When you're absolute rubbish and playing a good team. We're rubbish and so are they so it's depression all round if the scores are level.

In my opinion, the team that comes from behind to force a draw is the 'winner'. the other team is the 'loser'.

IMO the underdog is the winner in a draw. We were the winners when we drew Collingwood on the Queen's Birthday in 2010 simply because most were expecting us to walk away with nothing.

A draw is a 'win' when you have low percentage, and a 'loss' when you have high percentage.

A draw is a 'win' when you have low percentage, and a 'loss' when you have high percentage.

I'd go one step further and say it depends on whether it positively or negatively affects your percentage. That probably amounts to the same thing you said, just a little more explicitly.

I'd go one step further and say it depends on whether it positively or negatively affects your percentage. That probably amounts to the same thing you said, just a little more explicitly.

I don't think it really does...let me put it this way.

1 West Coast 60pts 120%

2 Carlton 60pts 110%

3 Melbourne 58pts 90%

4 Essendon 56pts 105%

5 Adelaide 56pts 103%

In such a situation the draw benefits Melbourne as without the percentage they would be down in 5th if they'd lost the game.

1 West Coast 60pts 120%

2 Carlton 60pts 110%

3 Melbourne 58pts 135%

4 Essendon 56pts 105%

5 Adelaide 56pts 103%

However, in this situation the draw hinders Melbourne, as with the win their superior percentage they'd be in 1st if they'd won the drawn game.

I once played in a winning premiership because of a draw

We started the season of badly losing early games. Then we had a draw (coming from behind) and from then on went on a winning streak

If we had lost the drawn game we wouldn't have made the finals. It was a real turning point in our season