I heard Viney has a terrible attitude, struggles against taller opponents, his groins are wrecked and his style of play will see him spend most of his career suspended.

Not worth a 3rd round pick.

I heard Viney has a terrible attitude, struggles against taller opponents, his groins are wrecked and his style of play will see him spend most of his career suspended.

Not worth a 3rd round pick.

hehehehehe - I heard he allegedly got in a fight last weekend in a pub, was kicked out for under-age drinking, I'd be concerned the bouncers gave him an absolute belting, he is either soft or the head injuries he incurred could be career ending. B) (that might get past a few Mr Darling)

I heard Viney has a terrible attitude, struggles against taller opponents, his groins are wrecked and his style of play will see him spend most of his career suspended.

Not worth a 3rd round pick.

3rd round pick is generous, also has daddy issues, spoke to his old coach who tried to teach him to play in a team structure but wouldn't listen to anyone but todd who said the coach knew nothing and to just get the ball and get as many possessions as possible to make him look good, always kick to a sideways or backwards target to up his eff rate to make himself look good. bad attitude.

It would be good though, if we could engineer a decent consistent rumour that would create a bit of doubt in the minds of other teams, making it too risky to bid high.

You would never seriously recruit a player that refused to speak with you - you might posture - but when push came to shove you would never do it.

You underestimate the power of the player. We all new where he wanted to go - it was just a matter if you could leverage the situation - which no club was able to do - North came closest by attempting to broker a deal.

then why even bother to have a draft. $$$ lever the system Doc. You know that. At the time we were paying unders on the salary cap.

We should have had a serious crack, not hoped he would fall out the back.

Its all about attitude and ours leaks out onto the ground sadly.

then why even bother to have a draft. $$$ lever the system Doc. You know that. At the time we were paying unders on the salary cap.

We should have had a serious crack, not hoped he would fall out the back.

Its all about attitude and ours leaks out onto the ground sadly.

Because kids refusing to talk to certain teams will be penalised for draft tampering, along with any clubs proved to be involved.

The AFL has warned kids in recent years when there have been stories of exactly this.

Can't remember which kid it was, but his father was warning certain interstate teams not to draft him.

An established player with existing relationships with clubs and officials can make his own decisions.

Because kids refusing to talk to certain teams will be penalised for draft tampering, along with any clubs proved to be involved.

The AFL has warned kids in recent years when there have been stories of exactly this.

Can't remember which kid it was, but his father was warning certain interstate teams not to draft him.

An established player with existing relationships with clubs and officials can make his own decisions.

No. The draft can be bent by certain clubs and not others. That is more the point.

Wet Coke was the team you were thinking of.

No. The draft can be bent by certain clubs and not others. That is more the point.

Wet Coke was the team you were thinking of.

No, there was a certain kid whose father warned certain teams away.

Can't remember who, though.

No, there was a certain kid whose father warned certain teams away.

Can't remember who, though.

Yes during the powder finger days Wet Coke was warned by a family not to pick their son as i recall.

Yes during the powder finger days Wet Coke was warned by a family not to pick their son as i recall.

Nah, more recently.

Last year or the year before.

Gunston? Caddy?

then why even bother to have a draft.

Yip many would ask the same question

At the time we were paying unders on the salary cap.

We should have had a serious crack, not hoped he would fall out the back.Its all about attitude and ours leaks out onto the ground sadly.

How much you were paying in your salary cap is irrelevant. You are never going to pay a player that does not talk to you or want to be part of your club.

It would be good though, if we could engineer a decent consistent rumour that would create a bit of doubt in the minds of other teams, making it too risky to bid high.

Probably the best thing this site could do this year. At least it would be constructive.

Yip many would ask the same question

How much you were paying in your salary cap is irrelevant. You are never going to pay a player that does not talk to you or want to be part of your club.

I find it abhorrent that both Carlton & Collingwood were able to fast track players. The 2 biggest clubs in Victoria. Whilst we were flatly denied any chance to keep our number one pick.

If Ball was forced out of the Aints he should have taken his chances like all other registered AFL players.

Three weeks in and we're already looking forward to draft picks? Phwoar.

Three weeks in and we're already looking forward to draft picks? Phwoar.

I know. It's tragic!!!

I find it abhorrent that both Carlton & Collingwood were able to fast track players. The 2 biggest clubs in Victoria

Welcome to AFL football 2012. Have you ever considered why players with choice would choose Carlton & Collingwood?

Whilst we were flatly denied any chance to keep our number one pick.

If you are referring to Tom - we made the best of a bad situation. Tom was gone. We simply had to make sure we got the best compensation possible within the guidelines set down by the competition. The guidelines where quite specific & quite clear. But I'm over it - its old news.

If Ball was forced out of the Aints he should have taken his chances like all other registered AFL players.

Luke made his own choices, for his own football career. Any sensible football person would respect that.

Welcome to AFL football 2012. Have you ever considered why players with choice would choose Carlton & Collingwood?

If you are referring to Tom - we made the best of a bad situation. Tom was gone. We simply had to make sure we got the best compensation possible within the guidelines set down by the competition. The guidelines where quite specific & quite clear. But I'm over it - its old news.

Luke made his own choices, for his own football career. Any sensible football person would respect that.

Sure Luke made a good choice. I have no problem with that. But the choice should not have been made available. The AFL assisted it.

Nah, more recently. Last year or the year before. Gunston? Caddy?

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226196969925

Elliot Kavanagh apparently. Wanted to go to Essendon (or his dad did), so a bit of a kerfuffle with the interviews from North and the Swans.

Oddly enough, ended up at ... Essendon.

I see your point Sloonie, but (as per my comment above) I'm with billy on this. It's just too high risk and high stakes for the teams above us to nominate him, unless he really is rated the standout.

Another thing that will have them doubting themselves is is the fact that they know he probably wants to play for the Dees, and with his old man. Would you risk losing your preferred number one pick, and having to pick up a top 3 - 5 pick who may or may not want to return to be with his Dad in Melbourne after the first two years, just to stuff around another team that's wallowing around the bottom of the ladder with you??

There is no guarantee that JV would be rated by others or ourselves

Why not wait and see who is available

Just because his name is Viney doesnt make him an auto pick for the DEEs I think we should assess our needs and the available players at the appropriate time

I know. It's tragic!!!

Its not tragic its an absolute joke

3rd round pick is generous, also has daddy issues, spoke to his old coach who tried to teach him to play in a team structure but wouldn't listen to anyone but todd who said the coach knew nothing and to just get the ball and get as many possessions as possible to make him look good, always kick to a sideways or backwards target to up his eff rate to make himself look good. bad attitude.

Very interesting

I am always worried when demonlanders make assuptions about young players leave it to the Football department and the recruiters

As is said elsewhere Just becuase he is a Viney doesnt make him great necesarily and doesnt make him right for the MFC

I honestly cant believe people can't see what's going on. The two teams with compo picks tied to there finish on the ladder are serving up absolute garbage and nobody In the media has even mentioned tanking ....

Funny you should bring that up:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/melbourne-western-bulldogs-can-see-stars-on-horizon/story-fn7si05c-1226330742519

or here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport-old/afl/melbourne-western-bulldogs-can-see-stars-on-horizon/story-e6frepkx-1226330742519

Just becuase he is a Viney doesnt make him great necesarily and doesnt make him right for the MFC

He's great, and he's right for MFC.

And he's already signed.

Recruiting is an art form more than a science and the skill of a recruiiter is identify the talent for AFL. A recruiter is always going to have some hit and misses hopefully more hits than misses.

And if you do a proper analysis of all drafts you will find that the high picks provide you with a greater probability of accessing the best players. And to improve those odds you need a good recruitment team.

BTW, in your use of 2001, the F/S laws and changed. Ablett jnr and Waite were obtained with 3rd round picks. The law changed. Both were first round pick potential. Ablett pushing up into the top bracket.

With the risk of you suspending me again- be fair and accurate in your debate,Whilst you are accurate in pointing out Waite & Ablett were 3rd rd picks, they were father & son picks when you had to give up a rd 3 pick for them.

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226196969925

Elliot Kavanagh apparently. Wanted to go to Essendon (or his dad did), so a bit of a kerfuffle with the interviews from North and the Swans.

Oddly enough, ended up at ... Essendon.

Yep, that's the one.

I guess it can be done.

Geez, the bombers are seriously able to brainwash some kids into wanting to go there.

They are bordering on serial draft tampering too.