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Any deals to secure a pick in the mini-draft must be finalised by 5pm on Thursday, 13 October, with the mini-draft likely to be held on the closing day of trade week on Monday, 17 October.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124620/default.aspx

O'Meara also sounds like he has no problems leaving Perth.

I think our priority during trade week should be using our compo picks to acquire the pick for either O'Meara or Crouch.

Along will filling the holes in our list, of course.

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I am still not certain how all this works at the edges...

They have two trade weeks to get these deals done.

How do they judge the best deal, the second best deal, etc?

Who is doing the judgement exactly?

Answer me these questions people. And don't give me links, I have read the links.

I want the truth!

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Good find Lulz. That's great news about the deals having to be stitched up by end of Thursday trade week - I was worried Sheedy and Gumby would hold up all other trades until the death.

RPFC, my understanding is the trades work like any other, there's a week long Trade Period starting on Monday, half way through is the deadline for these trades. Clubs offer GWS trades, GWS makes a decision on what to accept and gives the picks out in order, clubs are bidding for pick 1 first, then pick 2 - through to as many as GWS want to trade up to the maximum of 4.

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I am still not certain how all this works at the edges...

They have two trade weeks to get these deals done.

How do they judge the best deal, the second best deal, etc?

Who is doing the judgement exactly?

Answer me these questions people. And don't give me links, I have read the links.

I want the truth!

From what i have gathered is that u can bid for pick 1 or pick 2, which are seperate bidding systems!! GWS then choose the best possible deal for each pick and hand out picks 1 or 2. They do have 4 pick and they dont all have to be used this year.

someone plz correct me if im wrong!!

A question i have of my own is if we traded our pick after our 1st rnder to gws, when they use that pick does it go off our ladder position or theres?? Therefore if they finish last next year and they get that pick they will have picks 1 and 2!!

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I thinkn they have to trade all 4...

They've got a maximum of 4 over 2 years but they don't HAVE to trade any. They'd be mad if they didn't but they don't have to. Thety can't take O'Meara this year, but if they don't trade any this year, they can pick up O'Meara with ND pick 1 (which they'll probably have for finishing bottom next year) in 2012 when he eligible.

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I am still not certain how all this works at the edges...

They have two trade weeks to get these deals done.

How do they judge the best deal, the second best deal, etc?

Who is doing the judgement exactly?

Answer me these questions people. And don't give me links, I have read the links.

I want the truth!

rpfc surely the reason no one understands the rules is because the vaguer they are, the more the AFL can manipulate them to the their advantage.

Am I too cynical ?

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I still don't understand why the result is to be announced after the trades are finalised on Monday 17 October.

If you wanted to trade John Smith for O'Meara as part of the mini draft and had to wait to find out the result, then you might find yourself holding a player you don't want after the trades if you happen to be the losing bidder.


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1 more thing - how can a club be given Pick 2 for example if there are two picks to be 'awarded' next trade week? Suddenly Pick 2 becomes Pick 4 and Prendergast has an apopleptic fit as he is pushed down two places.

What incentive is there for clubs do get this done this trade week if they can be gazumped a year later?

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1 more thing - how can a club be given Pick 2 for example if there are two picks to be 'awarded' next trade week? Suddenly Pick 2 becomes Pick 4 and Prendergast has an apopleptic fit as he is pushed down two places.

What incentive is there for clubs do get this done this trade week if they can be gazumped a year later?

RPFC the mini draft is totally seperate to the national draft, this does not affect our picks in ND. i think there are about 26 17yr olds in the mini draft where theres only 4 picks but gws dont have to hand all 4 picks out this year!!

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RPFC the mini draft is totally seperate to the national draft, this does not affect our picks in ND. i think there are about 26 17yr olds in the mini draft where theres only 4 picks but gws dont have to hand all 4 picks out this year!!

Yes, I know!!

What I am saying is that what 'picks' will be handed out this trade week? Picks 1 and 2?

How can that be when the Picks are judged on the value of the trade. They may be superceded next trade week.

And the teams that get supereceded might have thought it not great that they get the 4th pick and they also may think it would have been best to wait until next trade week to try and get Pick 1.

I repeat - What incentive is there for clubs to negotiate this trade week?

Very little from what I can see.

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1 more thing - how can a club be given Pick 2 for example if there are two picks to be 'awarded' next trade week? Suddenly Pick 2 becomes Pick 4 and Prendergast has an apopleptic fit as he is pushed down two places.

What incentive is there for clubs do get this done this trade week if they can be gazumped a year later?

In your scenario, if GWS only decided to give up two picks in the mini-draft and we were given pick 2, then we get to pick the second most talented player from a pool of 26 or so 17yr olds (with O'meara likely gone at no.1)

The following year GWS have to trade the last of these 2 picks to clubs who then auction of for a new batch of highly rated 17yr olds born from 1 Jan 1995 to 30 April 1995.

GWS can determine how many picks they will offer up to maximise their trade value to gain experienced players or more draft picks.

The thing i'm not clear about is when GWS make it known how many picks are available this year. Would it be before bidding?

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Yes, I know!!

What I am saying is that what 'picks' will be handed out this trade week? Picks 1 and 2?

How can that be when the Picks are judged on the value of the trade. They may be superceded next trade week.

And the teams that get supereceded might have thought it not great that they get the 4th pick and they also may think it would have been best to wait until next trade week to try and get Pick 1.

I repeat - What incentive is there for clubs to negotiate this trade week?

Very little from what I can see.

Well clubs can bid for what pick they want!! so if a club feels pick 1 would cost too much they can therefore bid for 1 of the later picks!!

Players in this mini draft will not be in nxt years mini draft coz its 17 yr olds. so thats the incentive if theres a player u really want eg. o'meara. He will be in the ND nxt year!!

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There's Trade week this year, there's a Mini Draft this year at the end of the Trade Week, GWS can trade up to 4 picks in this year's Mini Draft, deals have to be finalised by Thursday of the Trade Week. The traded picks are 1.2.3. up to 4 in this years Mini Draft. If GWS don't trade any picks there's no Mimi Draft this year. If they trade all 4 picks this year, there's no Mini Draft next year.

If GWS trade less than 4 picks this year, then next year same thing happens as this year with the remaining picks . Next year's picks become picks 1,2,3 etc in next year's Mini Draft.

What's so hard to understand?

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The thing i'm not clear about is when GWS make it known how many picks are available this year. Would it be before bidding?

I imagine the keep trading up to 4 until they stop. For example, they trade pick 1, then theyy trade pick 2, then they say "that's it for this year" unless they get an offer too good to refuse for pick 3.

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Well clubs can bid for what pick they want!! so if a club feels pick 1 would cost too much they can therefore bid for 1 of the later picks!!

Players in this mini draft will not be in nxt years mini draft coz its 17 yr olds. so thats the incentive if theres a player u really want eg. o'meara. He will be in the ND nxt year!!

GWS can't trade pick 2 until they've traded pick 1 - what happens if they can't do a suitable trade for pick 1? They'll have to trade the picks in order and clubs will be bidding for pick 1 first. I expect it to go down to the wire on Thursday with clubs bidding for pick 1 - the offer GWS thinks is best will get pick 1, they'll offer pick 2 to the next best offer - the club making that offer can accept pick 2 or decline, etc until the the offers are not acceptable or time runs out.

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Yes, I know!! What I am saying is that what 'picks' will be handed out this trade week? Picks 1 and 2? How can that be when the Picks are judged on the value of the trade. They may be superceded next trade week. And the teams that get supereceded might have thought it not great that they get the 4th pick and they also may think it would have been best to wait until next trade week to try and get Pick 1. I repeat - What incentive is there for clubs to negotiate this trade week? Very little from what I can see.

IF GWS likes the offers it gets from this.... all 4 can be done this year. If they hate it, they pull up stumps and say try harder next year. The 4 picks are just that.

Seems like you are geting confused by reading too much into it.

OK, IF Gold Coast say we want to give you pick 4 in the national draft for a pick in the mini draft. If that's the best offer then GWS Say here have pick 1. Someone else might trump that offer with players, and then GC might say not interested without it being pick 1. It would be no different to anything else that goes on in trade week... except you are trading for picks. Some clubs might be gunning really hard for pick 1 to get O'Meara... where other clubs like Geelong, Hawks, Collingwood would see it as an opportunity to get a player who is possibly a top 5 pick in two years time (again there is a lot of speculation in draft order) but they can jump the queue offering a player and a pick given the likelihood to get a top 5 pick after being a top 4 club is highly improbable

The incentive to trade is to improve your list, same as it always is!

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The thing i'm not clear about is when GWS make it known how many picks are available this year. Would it be before bidding?

I would imagine they just see what they are offered... and see if any club is prepared to accept pick 3 or 4 and they get enough value.... All 4 would be on offer this year, but as to whether they use them all is another thing.


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GWS can't trade pick 2 until they've traded pick 1 - what happens if they can't do a suitable trade for pick 1? They'll have to trade the picks in order and clubs will be bidding for pick 1 first. I expect it to go down to the wire on Thursday with clubs bidding for pick 1 - the offer GWS thinks is best will get pick 1, they'll offer pick 2 to the next best offer - the club making that offer can accept pick 2 or decline, etc until the the offers are not acceptable or time runs out.

yer i know that!! But from what ive heard is all the picks are seperate bidding systems. so if a club feels pick 1 would cost too much, they then wait to bid for pick 2 when pick 1 is gone!!

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yer i know that!! But from what ive heard is all the picks are seperate bidding systems. so if a club feels pick 1 would cost too much, they then wait to bid for pick 2 when pick 1 is gone!!

Where have you "heard" that "picks are seperate bidding systems" - link please. How will they know "pick 1 would cost too much"? A club could wait until pick 1 is gone before getting involved but why do that - they might make the best offer and GWS might accept it for pick 1. It just makes no sense.

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I still don't understand why the result is to be announced after the trades are finalised on Monday 17 October.

Its not. Announced thursday night. Actual pick of the 17 year olds is monday.

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If they tried to bid for pick 1 and GWS replied we have already been offered better, then the club will have to wait n bid for pick 2!!

ill try and find the link now, some1 else also wrote it in another thread!!

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I imagine the keep trading up to 4 until they stop. For example, they trade pick 1, then theyy trade pick 2, then they say "that's it for this year" unless they get an offer too good to refuse for pick 3.

I would imagine they just see what they are offered... and see if any club is prepared to accept pick 3 or 4 and they get enough value.... All 4 would be on offer this year, but as to whether they use them all is another thing.

Makes sense.

Think I was getting confused when they started throwing around the words "auction" and "bidding" when in essence it’s just more trade negotiations that happen every year, except you'll be trading for the right to select a player that won't be eligible to play until 2013.

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If they tried to bid for pick 1 and GWS replied we have already been offered better, then the club will have to wait n bid for pick 2!!

No [censored] sherlock - I think we're in furious agreement there

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There's Trade week this year, there's a Mini Draft this year at the end of the Trade Week, GWS can trade up to 4 picks in this year's Mini Draft, deals have to be finalised by Thursday of the Trade Week. The traded picks are 1.2.3. up to 4 in this years Mini Draft. If GWS don't trade any picks there's no Mimi Draft this year. If they trade all 4 picks this year, there's no Mini Draft next year.

If GWS trade less than 4 picks this year, then next year same thing happens as this year with the remaining picks . Next year's picks become picks 1,2,3 etc in next year's Mini Draft.

What's so hard to understand?

I didn't realise there are effectively two drafts with two different pools of 17 year olds if GWS don't accept all 4 trades this trade week.

Makes more sense now.

I wonder how clubs will try to gazump each other to get a pick or the number 1 pick?

Will we see extra steak knives added on in the auction like atmosphere?

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