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I notice Collingwood Reserves have a bye in R22 next week and play their last game for the season THIS week. Similarly for Geelong Reserves have just 2 more games for the season. Neither side can make the VFL finals. The standalone team playing for development and not to win definitely has a big downside at this time of the year. By GF day Collingwood players not in the 22 will not have had an opportunity to play competitive football for 6 weeks.

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    I notice Collingwood Reserves have a bye in R22 next week and play their last game for the season THIS week. Similarly for Geelong Reserves have just 2 more games for the season. Neither side can make the VFL finals. The standalone team playing for development and not to win definitely has a big downside at this time of the year. By GF day Collingwood players not in the 22 will not have had an opportunity to play competitive football for 6 weeks.

    Interesting situation isn't it & i had not thought of this until now....still do not think the Affiliation system will last for more than 2-3 years.

    The lack of unity between the 2 playing styles is more of a problem for mine....eg. The Fevola problem, and that is what it is for the MFC...our young forwards are not the A Targets...Fev is.

    I would be happy to contribute to a Reserve side through an extra levy on my membership. The Top Clubs will stand alone.

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    For selfish reasons I'm happy for the club to stick with Casey.

    I only live 20 min drive from Casey Fields so it's really convinient for me. Also with MFC having a 30 year agreement with the City of Casey and Casey being a growth area I see the affiliation doing MFC a lot of good.

    Also don't forget Hawthorn, Carlton and West Coast don't have stand alone teams in the VFL/WAFL so it doesn't automatically equal success. Also St. Kilda have a rather rocky relationship with Sandringham yet they should have won the AFL premiership in 09' and were a ball bounce away from winning it last year so I'm not to concerened about the affiliation as yet.

    Edit: Changed St. Kilda's VFL team to Sandringham instead of Casey.

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    For selfish reasons I'm happy for the club to stick with Casey.

    I only live 20 min drive from Casey Fields so it's really convinient for me. Also with MFC having a 30 year agreement with the City of Casey and Casey being a growth area I see the affiliation doing MFC a lot of good.

    Also don't forget Hawthorn, Carlton and West Coast don't have stand alone teams in the VFL/WAFL so it doesn't automatically equal success. Also St. Kilda had a rather rocky relationship with Casey yet they should have won the AFL premiership in 09' and were a ball bounce away from winning it last year so I'm not to concerened about the affiliation as yet.

    If they ever did split Melbourne would stay in the Casey Precinct. There could be 2 teams playing out of the one stadium.

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    ok, so I have a good friend who works with the collingwood VFL team, and he's left me in no doubt that it's the only way.

    Collingwood is set up as 100% a "reserve" team

    - They train to the SAME schedule, regardless of which day the reserve team is playing - i.e. the reserves prepare as if it is a friday night game even if it is a sunday VFL game

    - They play to the SAME overall game plan, regardless of whether AFL strategies don't 100% translate to VFL

    this means any personnel changes are seamless

    It's about winning premierships and putting the club in the best position...i.e. no Fevola getting in the way of Lucas Cooke

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    ok, so I have a good friend who works with the collingwood VFL team, and he's left me in no doubt that it's the only way.

    Collingwood is set up as 100% a "reserve" team

    - They train to the SAME schedule, regardless of which day the reserve team is playing - i.e. the reserves prepare as if it is a friday night game even if it is a sunday VFL game

    - They play to the SAME overall game plan, regardless of whether AFL strategies don't 100% translate to VFL

    this means any personnel changes are seamless

    It's about winning premierships and putting the club in the best position...i.e. no Fevola getting in the way of Lucas Cooke

    Understand your point of view Pitchfork but there are economic and territory issues that need to also come into the equation for us. I agree that some issues need to be clarified and worked on so as everyone is working in harmony but Hawthorn seem to be ablle to manage it.

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    STAND ALONE

    ok, so I have a good friend who works with the collingwood VFL team, and he's left me in no doubt that it's the only way.

    Collingwood is set up as 100% a "reserve" team

    - They train to the SAME schedule, regardless of which day the reserve team is playing - i.e. the reserves prepare as if it is a friday night game even if it is a sunday VFL game

    - They play to the SAME overall game plan, regardless of whether AFL strategies don't 100% translate to VFL

    this means any personnel changes are seamless

    It's about winning premierships and putting the club in the best position...i.e. no Fevola getting in the way of Lucas Cooke

    Any insight from your friend into why Collingwood & Geelong for that matters VFL teams struggle when they play a game plan that works so well at AFL level but can't get it done in a lower level.

    I'm not having a go of that's what it sounds like. I'm just curious as to why both their VFL teams seem to struggle a fair bit.

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    Any insight from your friend into why Collingwood & Geelong for that matters VFL teams struggle when they play a game plan that works so well at AFL level but can't get it done in a lower level.

    I'm not having a go of that's what it sounds like. I'm just curious as to why both their VFL teams seem to struggle a fair bit.

    easy to see why. The VFL sides are not coached to win, but to learn a discipline.

    The MFC need a stand alone reserve side to do this. What use is Fev kicking 7 but then pulling a tantrum when he is asked to come off???

    does nothing but retard the growth of young Melbourne forwards...

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    easy to see why. The VFL sides are not coached to win, but to learn a discipline.

    The MFC need a stand alone reserve side to do this. What use is Fev kicking 7 but then pulling a tantrum when he is asked to come off???

    does nothing but retard the growth of young Melbourne forwards...

    The contra view is that they learn what winning is about and take that desire to the AFL side.

    Perhaps we should play Green, Davey, and Sylvia there for the first 4 games of 2012!

    I am also a little over the Geelong / Collingwood comparison.

    The reason for their success is fairly simple from where I sit.

    They just have a lot of very good players.

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    The contra view is that they learn what winning is about and take that desire to the AFL side.

    Perhaps we should play Green, Davey, and Sylvia there for the first 4 games of 2012!

    I am also a little over the Geelong / Collingwood comparison.

    The reason for their success is fairly simple from where I sit.

    They just have a lot of very good players.

    They were and are coached well too.

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    I notice Collingwood Reserves have a bye in R22 next week and play their last game for the season THIS week. Similarly for Geelong Reserves have just 2 more games for the season. Neither side can make the VFL finals. The standalone team playing for development and not to win definitely has a big downside at this time of the year. By GF day Collingwood players not in the 22 will not have had an opportunity to play competitive football for 6 weeks.

    This would certainly be an issue for those two clubs but it's a small price to pay for the increased development from having complete control over your young players. Young, Sinclair and Fasolo are good examples of this

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    The contra view is that they learn what winning is about and take that desire to the AFL side.

    Perhaps we should play Green, Davey, and Sylvia there for the first 4 games of 2012!

    I am also a little over the Geelong / Collingwood comparison.

    The reason for their success is fairly simple from where I sit.

    They just have a lot of very good players.

    Casey Football club chasing Premierships is all very fine, but it does little for the MFC.

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    Look, there's definitely something to being a winner...but who really cares how the MFC's VFL affiliate does once the next season rolls around?

    The dominance of Sandy from 2000 gives me no solace when it comes to the MFC.

    - The money thing is extremely valid, and the biggest stepping stone. But surely the ideal scenario, if money were no object, would be stand alone

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    easy to see why. The VFL sides are not coached to win, but to learn a discipline.

    The MFC need a stand alone reserve side to do this. What use is Fev kicking 7 but then pulling a tantrum when he is asked to come off???

    does nothing but retard the growth of young Melbourne forwards...

    Christ, get off his back.

    There are 100 players who sook in the AFL about poor delivery and being benched noticably Riewoldt x2, Goodes and Buddy.

    Just because the guy has had a rocky past doesn't mean you should be singling him out for cracking sads. If Casey is a worse standard than Melbournes kicking id be having my tantrum at the 3 min mark of the first.

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    Christ, get off his back.

    There are 100 players who sook in the AFL about poor delivery and being benched noticably Riewoldt x2, Goodes and Buddy.

    Just because the guy has had a rocky past doesn't mean you should be singling him out for cracking sads. If Casey is a worse standard than Melbournes kicking id be having my tantrum at the 3 min mark of the first.

    Why get off his back??? Is Fevola employed by the MFC?

    His Presence retards the learning of our young forwards..FFS i am so over Brendan Fevola kicking goals at Casey

    When has an MFC player had a chance to kick a bag??

    WAKE UP People...

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    Why get off his back??? Is Fevola employed by the MFC?

    His Presence retards the learning of our young forwards..FFS i am so over Brendan Fevola kicking goals at Casey

    When has an MFC player had a chance to kick a bag??

    WAKE UP People...

    WYL when have we had one who could?

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