Mate, my brother and I have been picking 'best teams' and 'who'd you rather' over beers for 20 years (not continuously :D ). It's a part of footy I enjoy and makes winter go quicker. What gets you through the cold months ?

Blankets and alcohol abuse.

Understand what you're saying but I took the "Who'd you rather have in the team?" question from the thread title and put forward my opinion that they can both play a role in our best 22.

FWIW: If ranking the list from best player to worst Miller would be ahead of Dunn. What I took issue with were the 'is and always will be soft' comments from the thread starter on Dunn who is 19 and in his 2nd year. The crux of his argument was that Dunn is too soft but Miller isn't exactly a man of steel.

just wondering who everyone would prefer in the team with finals around the bend...

for me its miller as i think dunn is too 'soft', small and doesnt back up with second efforts., he either wins the ball or loses it, there is no pressure applied after

Simple Really

The side that kicks the most goals wins finals!

Dunn @ CHF kicks goals

Miller @ CHF doesn't - Takes the ball on long searching leads & generally panics & handballs to the wrong option.

However Miller in defence - Gee there's an idea!

Who says we can't have both?

Dunn is not strong enough to play as a CHF at this stage. But he can be more than handy as a third tall. Miller can then take the CHF role, lead further up the ground or even help out in the backline if needed.

IMO it is not a case of either or, because in the long term both will be part of our best 22. With Neita and Holland both coming to the end of their careers, we need to develop both these guys, it's that simple.

Well said Jaded.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Simple Really

The side that kicks the most goals wins finals!

Dunn @ CHF kicks goals

Miller @ CHF doesn't - Takes the ball on long searching leads & generally panics & handballs to the wrong option.

However Miller in defence - Gee there's an idea!

Thats a tad simplistic dont you think?

Dunn = gifted receiver on lead playing closer to goal - more a FP

Miller = important linkman through HF to deliver to above or runners

Miller in defence is the worst idea since Jacko dancing the tango with Craig Balme in the Fosters Cup Preseason

well both in this week, miller will play on hall though...will be interesting to see if they both play next week and then who plays where.

dunn will have his work cut out for him on saturday...hope he doesnt disapoint

dunn will have his work cut out for him on saturday...hope he doesnt disapoint

His attitude wont be as disappointing as yours.

His attitude wont be as disappointing as yours.

Not really an attitude, but an opinion.

Be it one that you don't agree with.

I have no doubt that Dunn will rise to the occasion and show us what he's capable of.

His attitude wont be as disappointing as yours.

how is my attitude disappointing? i want to win the grand final, dont you? Miller will get is there before Dunn. Millers game would stand up in finals, dunn wouldnt

With TJ, Davey, Whelan, Robbo all to come back next week it is almost guaranteed that 2 or 3 of Dunn, Holland, Miller and Ferguson will be dropped. These boys are fighting for their season.

I have faith that Ferguson and Miller will fight the hardest (their the two most passionate), the two current most important players.

Dunn will be a good player for years to come. He is not essential to our finals this year.

By the way there should be a 'both' and 'neither' option included in the poll. I would have gone 'both'.

With TJ, Davey, Whelan, Robbo all to come back next week it is almost guaranteed that 2 or 3 of Dunn, Holland, Miller and Ferguson will be dropped. These boys are fighting for their season.

I have faith that Ferguson and Miller will fight the hardest (their the two most passionate), the two current most important players.

Dunn will be a good player for years to come. He is not essential to our finals this year.

By the way there should be a 'both' and 'neither' option included in the poll. I would have gone 'both'.

How are Ferg and Miller the two most important players? Neither are top 22 in a full list.

Dunn even at this early stage is essential to our finals this year up forward.

How are Ferg and Miller the two most important players? Neither are top 22 in a full list.

Dunn even at this early stage is essential to our finals this year up forward.

Going into our first final this year with Dunn at CHF is stupidity. It doesn't matter how much people rate him.

He is not tough enough (yet), he leads to the flanks, he backs off from body contact (i've seen it too many times), plus he is 19 in his first year of football.

That is too much pressure for one kid. Miller is our only option. Dunn is not essential, play him in the pocket or on the flank, no problems. Not at CHF!

Dunn even at this early stage is essential to our finals this year up forward.

I agree, Rhino. I'm bemused by those supporters doubting the ability of Dunn to contribute in a final. I don't expect domination, but he brings variety to our side and is a difficult matchup for the opposition when they're already trying to cover Neitz and Roberston.

On a side note, I expect Miller to play forward this week. If need be he can go onto Hall, but I expect Carroll to take Hall, Rivers to take O'Loughlin, and Ferguson to take Rivers zoning role. ND needs to do something different this week, and I believe we can stretch the Swans backline. The agile Dunn can play the traditional chf's role on LRT, with Miller and Neitz deeper in the forward line. I'd play through the leading Dunn as much as possible to take LRT away from supporting Barry. He needs to run LRT off his feet.

We need to be unpredictable tomorrow.

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By the way there should be a 'both' and 'neither' option included in the poll. I would have gone 'both'.

just wondering who everyone would prefer in the team with finals around the bend...

for me its miller as i think dunn is too 'soft', small and doesnt back up with second efforts., he either wins the ball or loses it, there is no pressure applied after

Dunn will be a star - he should in in the side regardless of whether Miller is playing or not

On a side note, I expect Miller to play forward this week. If need be he can go onto Hall, but I expect Carroll to take Hall, Rivers to take O'Loughlin, and Ferguson to take Rivers zoning role. ND needs to do something different this week, and I believe we can stretch the Swans backline. The agile Dunn can play the traditional chf's role on LRT, with Miller and Neitz deeper in the forward line. I'd play through the leading Dunn as much as possible to take LRT away from supporting Barry. He needs to run LRT off his feet.

Thats good in theory but a forward line that tall needs at least one permanent crumber at their feet. If Neitz, Miller and Dunn are all forward at the same time then Yze and Motlop must be inside forward 50 as well.

Going into our first final this year with Dunn at CHF is stupidity. It doesn't matter how much people rate him.

He is not tough enough (yet), he leads to the flanks, he backs off from body contact (i've seen it too many times), plus he is 19 in his first year of football.

That is too much pressure for one kid. Miller is our only option. Dunn is not essential, play him in the pocket or on the flank, no problems. Not at CHF!

Not as stupid as playing another player that has had OP alot of the year and what do you know leads to the wings picks up easy possessions (and low number per game at that) does not hirt the opposition off the boot and is questionable below his knees.

Maybe if we puts "L" or "P" plates on Dunn may ease his transition into the big league. If in form and fit, Dunn is a must in my 22.

FWIW, I would have potentially 4 first year players in the finals team in September. Bate, Jones, Bartram and Dunn. And I expect them to offer something to the team in September like they have all year.

If Neitz, Miller and Dunn are all forward at the same time then Yze and Motlop must be inside forward 50 as well.

That's the plan.

FWIW, I would have potentially 4 first year players in the finals team in September. Bate, Jones, Bartram and Dunn. And I expect them to offer something to the team in September like they have all year.

If they're not all in it'll only be because they are injured. Definite best 22 now.

Miller is battling for a position with Holland, not Dunn.

I think some people here (not having a crack at anyone) confuse the term "soft" with "physical strength".

Dunn in no way is soft, I think that if you say it was strength in the contests that he is lacking then their would be no argument, because at the age of 19, of course he isn't going to be overly strong, but that will improve with age and a pre-season on the weights

thought dunn struggled today, miller was by far the more effective player as he presented well ans had strong hands....

miller to play CHF next week...dunn to play CHF for sandy

unfortunately i agree

How much game time did Dunn actually get?

He barely seemed to be out there.

thought dunn struggled today, miller was by far the more effective player as he presented well ans had strong hands....

miller to play CHF next week...dunn to play CHF for sandy

You are joking, right ?

Nobody would love Miller to be an excellent kpp more than me, but I prefer to deal in reality. Reality is, Miller simply isn't a good enough AFL footballer. Well, not if you aspire to win a flag.

I vote for Miller and Dunn. Miller showed some signs today. I think that with his fitness and confidence back he can play an impotant role as a leading centre half forward. As Garry Lyon said he is the sort of player who needs to be at or near peek fitness to play well, with OP in the pre season. Is way to early to write Miller off. Happy to have Dunn working in behind him and wider.

You are joking, right ?

Nobody would love Miller to be an excellent kpp more than me, but I prefer to deal in reality. Reality is, Miller simply isn't a good enough AFL footballer. Well, not if you aspire to win a flag.

A bit premature when you consider that he barely played half a game at CHF after a long stint in the VFL.

He did what he usually does, ran hard, marked and made his opponent earn his kicks.

Dunny needs to develop a mean streak, he is not strong or hard enough to play finals as a CHF just yet. It will come, and when it does Miller will take over from Dutchy in the backline. It seems like a good long-term solution.