On 22/06/2011 at 06:47, Rogue said:

The thing is that generally, the gap-fillers are older types, so you don't want to go too early or else they'll be past their best once you're in the 'window'.

I think we're probably too far off right now.

And you need some of your young guns to mature so if you do trade them their vue is substantial as they are developed footballers. For me we are 12-18 months away from substantial trading for ready made footballers. We will take two or three first round draft picks for Scully and they will be under 20. Key position forwards and crumbers for mine.

I hear Dangerfield is prone to concussion-but "bounces" back pretty well .

  On 23/06/2011 at 08:43, dee-luded said:

Well for a start I'd look at a Morton,,, & IF we lose a Scully, I'd want someone powerfull to refill the spot open on our list. I'd love to get Patton, or someone equal to Scully, if he goes.... IMO,, Dangerfield will be a AA list player.

IMO, our midfield is still ordinary, ATMo... & if Scully were to go, I'd want to grab someone of HIGH calibre who has 3 or 4 Years put into them. We can't keep losing A list players, for draft picks...

I preferred it when you were psycho-analysing Fev and urging us to care.

  On 23/06/2011 at 13:34, dee-luded said:

Do you know of any Gary Ablett jnr type clones out there AB? I'm talking draft now. Any classy movers out there?

Sarcastic comment or not? I can't tell.

And there's precious little you could compare to Ablett, especially at that early age.

Coniglio is very very good.

I love the look of O'Meara too, but I'd like to see a bit more of him.

Both WA boys.

  On 23/06/2011 at 07:40, tatu said:

Bate + our first round draft selection for Tom Hawkins from Geelong

I have no idea why you would consider a first round draft pick adequate trading for Hawkins. Hawkins is awful.

I actually think the likes of a Tom Hawkins would do well playing for us, Since he walked through the door at Geelong he never looked to comfortable to me. He had a great first season but then with the pressure that his name brought him and the pressure on him as a player to keep the Geelong express moving forward with the force that it had been seems to me to have gotten to him.

I think if we were to get our hands on him and let him grow into the role with a team of players around his age could be what he needs to be the player I think he is capable of being.

Having said all that I would not be willing to pay to high a price but seeing as he has hardly played this year and is clearly not in Geelongs best 22 I dont think they would want to much for him.

This is along thie lines of what this thread is about, I think we need to start looking at trades. Not go all out for the game beaker just yet and still put most of our eggs in the draft basket but if we can do it well like we have recently then we can increase this momentum that we are slowly starting to build.

Hawkins?

My god!

We already have one Michael Newton - why would we need two??!?

A) because I rate him way better then Newton

B) Because Newton will be gone at years end

C) Because they will prob give Newton another contract extension and he needs a friend to talk to in the stands during the games

Just keep drafting.

You only trade for out and out quality and in positions that we have a weakness, not players like Sherman, Hale, even Burgoyne was a waste of two first rounders.

  On 24/06/2011 at 00:53, Artie Bucco said:

Sarcastic comment or not? I can't tell.

And there's precious little you could compare to Ablett, especially at that early age.

Coniglio is very very good.

I love the look of O'Meara too, but I'd like to see a bit more of him.

Both WA boys.

Chad Wingard, SA captain, AIS kid looks the goods, only qaum would be that he is rake thin atm listed 181cm 68kgs.... but is delivering some very special goods at the champs, will go top 5.... so is a much better prospect than Danger imo if he can bulk up

  On 24/06/2011 at 00:17, old55 said:

I preferred it when you were psycho-analysing Fev and urging us to care.

Yep , you probably do, Fev's goin' OK.

If you want to say Mortein will turn out a winner over a 'Dangerfield', or a Jackson Trengove, or a Tom Lynch, or which other homesick quality kid Prendergast & Harrington can organise for us in some sort of trade. Well I'll let you go with that, If thats what your implying.

I'll back my judgement on the back of Jamar, & Martin, & Wonnaemirri, & Warnock, Garland, Frawley, all players I backed when the popular opinion was agasinst them. I missed on Valenti, Maybe warnock as the game changes even more manic... But they were well worth the expense.

I''ve been biting my tongue for years, privately saying, I don't know what they see in Morton. I've run out of selfbelief re him... If I were in a dream team I would have traded him on last year.

  On 24/06/2011 at 00:53, Artie Bucco said:

Sarcastic comment or not? I can't tell.

And there's precious little you could compare to Ablett, especially at that early age.

Coniglio is very very good.

I love the look of O'Meara too, but I'd like to see a bit more of him.

Both WA boys.

Sarcastic? I think people can tell when I'm trying to say or tell them something. You should sharpen your individual assessment skills & stop judging everyone through the same experiences. Everyone is an individual with their own set of Values.

Now, I was genuinely asking you something out of respect that you sound knowledgeable regarding the U-18's. I went to a lot to the U-18's up till the Scully trengove draft, for 2 or 3 years as we rebuilt, but started to drop off a bit once we looked assured to get the priority picks 1 &2...

I haven't been to more than 1 game since, only to watch a neighbors kid.

So I asked if there was a kid that you thought maybe had some really special talents coming on. Not Viney or Patton, et al...

  On 24/06/2011 at 05:54, Artie Bucco said:

Hawkins?

My god!

We already have one Michael Newton - why would we need two??!?

Think that's a bit of an overstatement mate. Hawkins has talent and ability, he just needs to get out of Geelong.

  On 23/06/2011 at 06:16, Artie Bucco said:

Any combination of Bate, Dunn, Newton, Warnock and a 2nd rounder.

Awesome. They will jump at that. 3 guys who look like getting delisted, one who looks to get delisted next year and our 2nd rounder worth around pick 35 for there best young player!

i think one area we clearly lack in is a genuine small forward.

if we were to trade a player to gws - say, for instance, morton, or preferably, bate - we could have a crack at 17 year old ben kennedy, from glenelg.

absolute midget but electric around goal.

but this scenario would involve losing both scully and morton so who the hell knows who's going to provide the run and creation of space around the ground.