The mids job is to win the ball, forwards job is to finish it off. Juice finished it off. At least he lead, how often have we seen a forward that bothers to lead? Maybe Fev has taught the Juice a thing or two.

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If the delivery going in to the forward line, which is generally from the midfielders, is of a higher standard, you would fully understand how many of our forwards actually lead.

Maybe Fev has taught the Juice a thing or two.

yeah the first 25 years of his life he never saw anyone lead for a footy

I didn't get stuck into him at all? What the hell?

What the hell? I didn't say you did stick the boot into him after the North game.

What I said is that you can get stuck into him in the future, when/if he fails (as you've done many times in the past - you can't disown your post history).

What the hell? I didn't say you did stick the boot into him after the North game.

What I said is that you can get stuck into him in the future, when/if he fails (as you've done many times in the past - you can't disown your post history).

I think that I've rightly discussed Newton's shortfalls in past seasons, and I admit fully that I still don't really understand why he has survived this many seasons on our list.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me the Bate, Dunn, Newton draft was our worst one this decade. I can't see any of those 3 boys being part of our premiership tilt.

The term "Pinch hitting" has no place in Aussie rules football! A ridiculous saying coined by Dermott Brereton! Apart from that good post, I'd like to see Max Gawn have a run with Stef back up and leave Juice down forward for 2-3 weeks. should give enough time to see if he ever has a future at MFC

Yeh. Noice. Gawn/Martin (rotating) and Juice forward. Structure for 2 - 3 weeks. Nothing to lose. Not like we got a bunch of "outstanding alternatives" in these positions hangin around eh

Not sure about the censure bit tho. Who the hec introduced that term into this post anyway! ~cough

Roost, I just checked the tape, Newton rucked once in the centre and was on the ball for 2 minutes with 3 minutes to go in the first quarter. Most of that time it was in the backline He did not ruck at all in the 2nd quarter. Martin took every centre bounce. During that 2 minutes we went forward once from clearance where Newton nullfied Goldstein and Bail took the scrubby kick out of the centre. It was cleared easily by North.

And I never asserted that Newts only played well due to our midfield. But his access to the ball was a consequence of the midfield winning possession. Newton did his job well up forward. However his move did into the ruck did not impact the game. Its interesting to note then when the midfield started to get beaten in the midfield so did the supply forward. And it got worse in the 2nd half.

Posters claiming the Newton move robbed MFC of momentum etc... were not seeing how the game was unfolding (or how MFC was folding). Some of the pressure and effort in the 2nd half was just plain embarrassing.

Made you look!

When Newton was moved the tide was still firmly our way. It was a poor move. Martin was doing ok with some great second efforts. it was poor coaching. He should have held fire for 6 -10 more minutes and given newton another opportunity to score. At that stage he was killing it in the forward half. Easily his best quarter for the club. had Watts played that well we'd be licking our lips. Need to play Gawn and Martin next week.

If Bailey'd held fire for 6-10 more minutes, Martin would have been spent for the rest of the game..... and Juice would have had to spend even longer on the ball over the whole game anyway

I think "the Phantom" ( Gawn) is a very exciting prospect .... but you'd kill him to shove him into the big time just now.He was terrific out at Casey on Sunday but with a bandage of that size on his left knee, he needs a lot more confidence in his ability to get through a game than he has right now.

Juice is Juice

While Jurrah has played some blinders, Newton's first quater was the first time in years and years that I have seen a forward physically impose himself in the forwardline. He actually looked like a fullforward.

He is well ahead of Bate. Like to see him play a whole game forward.

I'll agree with this, he was superb in that first quarter and fully deserves a full game at FF.

lets ship him to gws and see if we can get a free burger in return

In the pre-season I pleaded - please, please, please, do NOT play Juice ever again. Today was the reason why. Last week he showed glimpses and moments to excite. Today he was so poor at times (not all day, he had some good moments)that he cost us posession, goals, and our players would have lost confidence in kicking it to him.

DO NOT PLAY HIM AGAIN.

Move Newton - to Shepparton.

Good to see the real Juice stand up yesterday and silence the hysteria of last weeks 1st qtr!

Good to see the real Juice stand up yesterday and silence the hysteria of last weeks 1st qtr!

Exactly....and cannot understand how after 6 years of the same rubbish, he gets a game ahead of Howe or Gawn.

Good to see those who said I wasn't positive enough about Juice's one quarter of above mediocre performance not coming to his defense this week.

I give him full credit for some of his chases and his forward pressure, his chase down on the wing was great, but he is just so ridiculously ordinary, prone to brain fades and lacks polish.

Gawn will give us less forward pressure, but will at least give us a contest in the ruck, and let Carlton try to figure out who to man on a 208cm giant in the goal square. If Davey doesn't get his arse kicked back to Casey as he should, I suggest sticking him up forward next to Gawn to feed off the crumbs.

As for Juice, back to Casey where he at least doesn't get out marked by some half hack in Gwilt in the damn goal square without giving a yelp. And people complain because Watts tries to neutralise marking contests he knows he isn't going to win. Pfffft!