I cant wait to come back to these threads in 3 years when the haters will look like bloody idiots.

Or in 3 years we clear him from the list for nothing. All is up to Jack now. He has to make some statement in the way he plays and all the excuses and comments dont mean anything . It is just noise at the moment!

ok, so lets release all the players that this forum seems to bag over the past 12 months, and are not performing to the standards Demonland expect of them...

Jack Watts

Nathan Jones

Clint Bartram

Jack Grimes

Matthew Bate

Jamie Bennell

Sam Blease (even though he broke his leg and is just getting back to it now)

Joel MacDonald

Addam Maric (only gets 1-1.5 games to prove himself)

Stefan Martin

Tom McNamara

Cale Morton

Michael Newton (only gets 1-2 games to prove himself)

Jared Rivers

Lynden Dunn

Jake Spencer

James Strauss

Matthew Warnock

Wow, the Demons are sure to be winning games now...

We should all be film crickets!

ok, so lets release all the players that this forum seems to bag over the past 12 months, and are not performing to the standards Demonland expect of them...

Jack Watts

Nathan Jones

Clint Bartram

Jack Grimes

Matthew Bate

Jamie Bennell

Sam Blease (even though he broke his leg and is just getting back to it now)

Joel MacDonald

Addam Maric (only gets 1-1.5 games to prove himself)

Stefan Martin

Tom McNamara

Cale Morton

Michael Newton (only gets 1-2 games to prove himself)

Jared Rivers

Lynden Dunn

Jake Spencer

James Strauss

Matthew Warnock

Wow, the Demons are sure to be winning games now...

Did it ever occur to you that as a club we lack the ability to take our players from 'talented kid' to 'established senior performer'

Did it ever occur to you that as a club we lack the ability to take our players from 'talented kid' to 'established senior performer'

Occurred to me.

That's why we have two dev coaches and whatever-the-hell-job-we-created-to-get-Todd-Viney position, isn't it?

Bailey should demand the ball gets kicked to him for the next month

I agree.

For completeness we should have a kick it to Jack thread (the other two threads look lonely at the top of the forum.)

Why are the players ignoring very good leads?

And If he only gets 10 to 15 touches a game lays 6 to 8 tackles and kicks 4 thats going to suit me fine.

I dont mind if he gets 6 touches and kicks 6 (plus tackles).

Imagine you play for the MFC, you are running down the wing and you look up and see Jack Watts and Liam Jurrah, Jack is on a good lead if you hit him he will be 40m out. Then the other option is Jurrah 25m out from goal standing still, which option would you take?

Turning ther footy over 25m out is less risk and I think that is the issue, we are not playing well players are not taking the right option because they are fearful of turning the footy over and getting hurt on the rebound. As we start playing better and I hope it is from this week our confidence grows and you will find we will start taking the best option, and not think about turning the footy over.

I would take the option which is the safest option. That is, which player is in the best position to receive the ball and is in the better position compared to their opposition defenders. If Jack has a good metre or so on his man while leading while Liam is a one on one wrestle with his defender, then go to Jack.

I think the reason that we our team is so ineffective with our inside 50 entries is because we don't choose the best option often enough. Too many times we seem to just have a long bomb into the forward line where an opposition defender can just float back and block out our leading forwards. This team needs to lower its eyes more and find those players in space, and in a position to better our next movement into the forward line.

In basketball ball movement is crucial in opening up space, and teams that just have one pass and shoot often get beaten. I see no difference in football. Those teams that continue to look for the best option when moving forward, and utilising ball movement to keep the defence on their toes, are more effective with their forward 50 entries and more successful as a team.

When Neitz was around when too often just bombed it long to him. We're doing the same with Jurrah. I think our forward line setup was actually more effective when we just played with a lot of mid-sized forwads that kept moving. I'm talking about the Petterd, Dunn, Green, Bate, Bennell etc lineup. No-one was a particular focus in that forward line, but our movement into the forward line certainly looked better.

I would take the option which is the safest option. That is, which player is in the best position to receive the ball and is in the better position compared to their opposition defenders. If Jack has a good metre or so on his man while leading while Liam is a one on one wrestle with his defender, then go to Jack.

I think the reason that we our team is so ineffective with our inside 50 entries is because we don't choose the best option often enough. Too many times we seem to just have a long bomb into the forward line where an opposition defender can just float back and block out our leading forwards. This team needs to lower its eyes more and find those players in space, and in a position to better our next movement into the forward line.

In basketball ball movement is crucial in opening up space, and teams that just have one pass and shoot often get beaten. I see no difference in football. Those teams that continue to look for the best option when moving forward, and utilising ball movement to keep the defence on their toes, are more effective with their forward 50 entries and more successful as a team.

When Neitz was around when too often just bombed it long to him. We're doing the same with Jurrah. I think our forward line setup was actually more effective when we just played with a lot of mid-sized forwads that kept moving. I'm talking about the Petterd, Dunn, Green, Bate, Bennell etc lineup. No-one was a particular focus in that forward line, but our movement into the forward line certainly looked better.

My belief is that you Bomb long because you don't have confidence to hit a leading target, or you feal that you are under pressure and you don't look.

Chill out some of you. He is picking up bits and pieces each game. It hasn't quite come together but he's not going backwards or staying still.

Just think (or look) back to the criticisms that have been raised about him and then have a look how they have been addressed, even if it is only slightly. Pack marks, body work, work off the ball etc. Not perfect, sure, but he's learning and that is just fine with me.

Have some patience and faith, and just let the FD develop the kid in they way they think is right and not according to the bleatings of the lame stream media.

Dean Bailey at half time

"Just kick the [censored] ball to Watts, noone else, just Watts!!"

lame stream media.

Sarah Palin says this.

People don't say this.

Please don't say this.

Sarah Palin says this.

People don't say this.

Please don't say this.

Heh. I picked it up from an international politics forum. It's pretty apt, and even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

I wonder what Sarah thinks of Jack.

Dean Bailey at half time

"Just kick the [censored] ball to Watts, noone else, just Watts!!"

Would love to see that happen if the Dees are in a comfortable lead..

There is a serious problem from within the team if they are ignoring a player.

John Coleman had the same complaint about his team-mates as an 18 and 19 year old in Practice Matches at Essendon.

He debuted at 20 and kicked twelve in his first game then 100 for the season (21 games).

For those that say it was a different game then, I agree, it was much harder for a any forward let alone a 20 year old.

Way too many excuses being made for our Jack.

John Coleman had the same complaint about his team-mates as an 18 and 19 year old in Practice Matches at Essendon.

He debuted at 20 and kicked twelve in his first game then 100 for the season (21 games).

For those that say it was a different game then, I agree, it was much harder for a any forward let alone a 20 year old.

Way too many excuses being made for our Jack.

Bit harsh to compare Jack to one of the greatest full forwards of all time....

Not sure about Coleman's life pre-footy but where was he playing before he debuted? Bet it was not for his high school whilst also choosing between AFL and a career in another professional sport?

Bit harsh to compare Jack to one of the greatest full forwards of all time....

Not sure about Coleman's life pre-footy but where was he playing before he debuted? Bet it was not for his high school whilst also choosing between AFL and a career in another professional sport?

Hastings.

And at 185cm and 80 kg he was often conceding height and invariably body mass, even then.

Hastings.

And at 185cm and 80 kg he was often conceding height and invariably body mass, even then.

"Essendon first invited Coleman to train at the club in 1946, but considered him too young to be able to play senior football.

In the following two seasons, Coleman completed pre-season training with Essendon and played in practice matches. However, both times he was sent back to Hastings where he kicked 296 goals in 37 games over two years."

Dodgy source, but a source non the less...

This is something I've noticed also. It's not just been the last one or two games, this was consistently happening all last year. I don't see why his strength (or lack thereof) in a marking contest would be an issue if he has metres on his opponent. The only thing that makes any sense is that he has got on the wrong side of a few players for whatever reason. This could be his attitude, his perceived favoured treatment from the coaches, the media spotlight, his failure to take a game apart??? I'm not saying that this is the case (and if it were in a professional sports club that would be a disgrace and indictment on the players) but I can't think of what else it could be other than he is running to the wrong spaces.

Wattsy i believe is being ignored because other players believe that he is not accountable, They feel that giving him the ball will result in a turn over, whereas if they kick it jurrah he's got a pretty good chance of making some magic happen out of it. Its gonna be hard for watssy to break it and say that he's an accountable player because he cant show the signs without getting the footy, perhaps one day (maybe even against gold coast) he will have a blinder and team mates will start to realize that he is a reliable target.

Wattsy i believe is being ignored because other players believe that he is not accountable, They feel that giving him the ball will result in a turn over, whereas if they kick it jurrah he's got a pretty good chance of making some magic happen out of it. Its gonna be hard for watssy to break it and say that he's an accountable player because he cant show the signs without getting the footy, perhaps one day (maybe even against gold coast) he will have a blinder and team mates will start to realize that he is a reliable target.

If they don't kick it too him he needs to GO AND GET THE [censored] THING HIMSELF, LIKE A MAN. IT'S TIME JACK, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, you too Bennell and you Aaron, I'm sick of the softness at this club it really shits me.

If they don't kick it too him he needs to GO AND GET THE [censored] THING HIMSELF, LIKE A MAN. IT'S TIME JACK, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, you too Bennell and you Aaron, I'm sick of the softness at this club it really shits me.

Hear! Hear!

If they don't kick it too him he needs to GO AND GET THE [censored] THING HIMSELF, LIKE A MAN. IT'S TIME JACK, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, you too Bennell and you Aaron, I'm sick of the softness at this club it really shits me.

Im watching the second quarter again (Bris) and Watts has been around the ball about 75% of the time, laying tackles and going right in there..

Im watching the second quarter again (Bris) and Watts has been around the ball about 75% of the time, laying tackles and going right in there..

WATT GAME WERE YOU WATCHING?

HIS PERFORMANCE WAS SOFT AND EMBARASSING TO HIMSELF

Chill out some of you. He is picking up bits and pieces each game. It hasn't quite come together but he's not going backwards or staying still.

Just think (or look) back to the criticisms that have been raised about him and then have a look how they have been addressed, even if it is only slightly. Pack marks, body work, work off the ball etc. Not perfect, sure, but he's learning and that is just fine with me.

Have some patience and faith, and just let the FD develop the kid in they way they think is right and not according to the bleatings of the lame stream media.

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WHY DO YOU MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM ITS UP TO JACKIE BOY TO ANSWER THE CRITICISM PERCEIVED OR NOT

If they don't kick it too him he needs to GO AND GET THE [censored] THING HIMSELF, LIKE A MAN. IT'S TIME JACK, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, you too Bennell and you Aaron, I'm sick of the softness at this club it really shits me.

YES ITS SIMPLE ISNT IT? I COULDNT AGREE MORE !AGAIN I SAY ITS ENTIRELY UP TO JACK

YES ITS SIMPLE ISNT IT? I COULDNT AGREE MORE !AGAIN I SAY ITS ENTIRELY UP TO JACK

Sometimes I also get frustrated, and just wish he'd bloody dominate one match to shut everybody up.

But then i remember that he's 20 yr old, essentially in his second year of footy.... and that plenty of other KPPs who were high draft picks got years to develop without any of this kind of pressure.

Did anyone scream at Chris Dawes to bloody do something already when he hardly played a senior game in his first 3 seasons of footy?

Is it frustrating? YES. But he has at least 12 years of footy and at least 3 years before anybody should consider writing him off.

Patience is very difficult, but it is necessary here