THE TOM SCULLY TO GWS THREAD

[Roost It 1,434]

Not talking to you. Don't interrupt!

As I said you don't want to listen. Talk about head in the sand.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

If this guy is fair dinkum then these Velocity Sports chislers are trying to ransom us and messing with Tom's head. The risk of injury and bad form is far too high for one so young to take these kind of chances when he can get a great deal with us now. But to repeat myself who are you?

He is an anonymous user of this forum as am I and most others.

[Guest Thomo]

If this guy is fair dinkum then these Velocity Sports chislers are trying to ransom us and messing with Tom's head. The risk of injury and bad form is far too high for one so young to take these kind of chances when he can get a great deal with us now. But to repeat myself who are you?

I don't normally like to get personal - but your posts are idiotic.

[1.21 GigaWatts 1]

Before I start i'll say that I read every night and post maybe three times a year. To begin i'll say that I've already stopped caring whether Tom plays for MFC in 2012. I want to enjoy Tom and the dees in 2011. Who knows how many hours of life have been wasted worrying about the negative. But to address some of the things I've read...

As for maguire, he's just directing the heat away from Swan, Pendalbury and Thomas. Scully will sign when he's ready as will Sylvia and a host of other Demons who's contracts are expiring at year's end.

I don't like Eddie bashing. Never have. I actually like the guy. I like him because he likes football. He gifted MFC the queens b'day match when he never had to. Anyone who says "who cares?" to that isn't going to the same games I am. It's our one and only marquee fixture. I know Eddie has a bias towards c'wood but I'd rather barrack for the pies than see Jimma suggest anything other than Melbourne were the club to be focused on.

Oh and while Eddie was busy talking up the Scully rumour and deflecting from his stars he oh so casually threw in those stars as his summation. So in order to detract attention from them, he drew attention to them? Give me a spell.

Sorry Nutbean going to have to call you a fool, Ablett was long gone by the end of the season.

I won't say fool but I was pretty sure he was gone. He'd done all he could at that club and his family were at GC. Tough ask for Geelong.

Hi Guys. First time poster!

Despite all of the hysteria I am here to tell you that Tom has

1 Not signed or even made a heads of agreement deal to head north

2 Has put off contract negotiations for the simple reason is that his management have told him to wait until the CBA is finalized to see what is in the pool (TV rights & what % is distributed to the clubs), effectively the salary cap in 2013 & 2014.

3 Is looking to buy a house/property in Melbourne, but cannot get finance until he has a contract

4 Cannot earn more than a set salary for the first 2 years (Whats the point of signing NOW for "unders" if he has a slashing first 10-12 rounds)

5 Has been strong enough to resist doing a back flip & signing due to media hype & speculation

Having said this it is incumbent on the club to put a good deal on the table come contract time as at the end of the day, you have a 10-12 year window at best to capitalize on earning potential.

For all of those that want him burnt at the stake & playing at Casey please bear in mind that he was HAPPY to sign for 3 years last August, but his management made the decision to play poker.

The boy loves playing, loves playing at Melbourne, has a fantastic relationship with the boys there and if the club do the right thing, will be there for the next 10-15 years!!!

Tough choice for the kid and the club. So much cash up for grabs. All being well at the dees... so much earning potential after the playing career. These comments say that Melbourne have to treat a future star like a current star. Everyone in this deal is gambling (Dees that Scully will be a star) (Scully that Scully will be a star) (And GWS that Scully won't get hurt.) Tough read.

I know Tom's family well through a friend playing at Vic Metro with Tom & others.

Not that this adds any credibility!! Or does it??

I am not after the "scoop of the year". All I am looking to do is alleviate the rubbish that has been directed Tom's way due to bulltish written about him DEFECTING to GWS.

He is the most loyal kid that there is & IF MFC look after him will be a 250 gamer.

Given good health this kid will be a 250 gamer wherever he plays. I hope he stays. I'm only bothered by one part of the possible deal and that's compensation. A #1 draft pick is a #1 draft pick. As a player who's yet to reveal what he's actually worth, then all he's worth is what was paid. If he goes MFC should be granted #1 pick in a the next draft. It's not fair if Scully's a gun and #1 pick 2011 isn't, but it's not fair to pin any more of that pressure on the poor bloke. I hope he has a ripper season.

/end rant.

[markc 975]

I know Tom's family well through a friend playing at Vic Metro with Tom & others.

Not that this adds any credibility!! Or does it??

I am not after the "scoop of the year". All I am looking to do is alleviate the rubbish that has been directed Tom's way due to bulltish written about him DEFECTING to GWS.

He is the most loyal kid that there is & IF MFC look after him will be a 250 gamer.

thankyou for your posts

i think many of us supporters do go over the top and Tom could be such a great player and with him in the side will bring us closer to the holy grail we havent seen for many years. The media have built this up and as stated Kevin Sheedy is still dirty we didnt pick him as coach , this is the sort of game he would play. I am sure once the real season plays most of us will cheer and watch Tom play for us . the Afl need GWS in the papers and will push this till the cows come home ! any media is good for Sydney . just my thoughts . either way i will support melbourne and watch them play as i always do

[keepinthedreamalive 0]

I don't normally like to get personal - but you're an idiot.

Him or me?

I am not overly bright myself!!

Bottom line is that I do know that Tom is

1 Happy at MFC

2 Looking forward to NAB Cup/Season proper starting to put all of this crap behind him

3 Looking forward to SIGNING with MFC when the CBF is finalized (August Sept)

4 Looking forward to buying a property in Melbourne for him & his sister

Get him a fair & equitable deal and he is yours for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1.21 GigaWatts 1]

stated Kevin Sheedy is still dirty we didnt pick him as coach

This also irks me. Surely a grown man is not so petty. Not an attack on Markc, merely an opinion. It seems to me that (in all honesty) Kevin Sheedy couldn't give a sh*t about MFC, and this doesn't make him an individual in the football world. We take offense to Malthouse suggesting QB is our grand final! It is our bloody grand final!!! MFC haven't done a thing since 2000 in my memory.

I hate this attitude I see adopted. I'm reminded of Johnny Fontane squirming and saying "What am I gonna do?" Stand up. Be counted. Forget the Sheedys, the Malthouses and the freaking AFL. Put wins on the board. Get the job done and make the MCG the house of pain. Turn up and cheer because we're gonna win a lot more games from now on.

Until Jim started turning this Titanic around no one (that publicly mattered) cared about MFC. I'm glad we're on the map now but for God's sake, there is no curse. We make the off field happen and in 2011 the players make the on field happen. That group includes #31.

OK now literally end rant.

[Roost It 1,434]

I don't like Eddie bashing. Never have. I actually like the guy. I like him because he likes football. He gifted MFC the queens b'day match when he never had to. Anyone who says "who cares?" to that isn't going to the same games I am. It's our one and only marquee fixture. I know Eddie has a bias towards c'wood but I'd rather barrack for the pies than see Jimma suggest anything other than Melbourne were the club to be focused on.

Oh and while Eddie was busy talking up the Scully rumour and deflecting from his stars he oh so casually threw in those stars as his summation. So in order to detract attention from them, he drew attention to them? Give me a spell.

If what I said is eddy bashing then you're a touch sensitive. Also I never mentioned QB and he didn't gift us the game. Sure he gifted us the home team cash but the QB fixture was allocated by the AFL, who also allocate Collingwood the most generous MCG draw of any team which kind of makes Eddy's "gift" a little hollow. He may have mentioned his players but I'm pretty sure he didn't say the ink was drying and his source was impeccable as he did with Scully. Now take a spell by all means.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,826]

Do people on here worry that Scully might be booed by his own fans next time he steps on the field?

I know it's unlikely and completely out of line but there are some absolute morons in society - MFC fans included!!

[John Crow Batty 8,869]

Him or me?

I am not overly bright myself!!

Bottom line is that I do know that Tom is

1 Happy at MFC

2 Looking forward to NAB Cup/Season proper starting to put all of this crap behind him

3 Looking forward to SIGNING with MFC when the CBF is finalized (August Sept)

4 Looking forward to buying a property in Melbourne for him & his sister

Get him a fair & equitable deal and he is yours for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry, thats for me. Some people get too uptight here. They don't like vigorous debate and thrashing out the issues from all points of view. But if you are sincere in your posts then that is reassuring. Because I want to Tom to stay too. But I hate his management with a passion.

Edited February 17, 2011 by america de cali

[Dee Fan 3,247]

We really are ripping in to each other now aren't we?

I certainly hope the players don't read this thread because if they do they will wonder what we are on.

There have been a couple that have said they have information that would suggest he's staying and others that believe he's going, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I think I'll just concentrate on the season and worry about Tom sometime towards the end of the year.

[Demonic Ascent 0]

We really are ripping in to each other now aren't we?

I certainly hope the players don't read this thread because if they do they will wonder what we are on.

There have been a couple that have said they have information that would suggest he's staying and others that believe he's going, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I think I'll just concentrate on the season and worry about Tom sometime towards the end of the year.

That's sensible. Now can we close this thread until some further "news" actually comes to light and not just constantly mull over unsubstantiated rumour and speculation?

[keepinthedreamalive 0]

This also irks me. Surely a grown man is not so petty. Not an attack on Markc, merely an opinion. It seems to me that (in all honesty) Kevin Sheedy couldn't give a sh*t about MFC, and this doesn't make him an individual in the football world. We take offense to Malthouse suggesting QB is our grand final! It is our bloody grand final!!! MFC haven't done a thing since 2000 in my memory.

I hate this attitude I see adopted. I'm reminded of Johnny Fontane squirming and saying "What am I gonna do?" Stand up. Be counted. Forget the Sheedys, the Malthouses and the freaking AFL. Put wins on the board. Get the job done and make the MCG the house of pain. Turn up and cheer because we're gonna win a lot more games from now on.

Until Jim started turning this Titanic around no one (that publicly mattered) cared about MFC. I'm glad we're on the map now but for God's sake, there is no curse. We make the off field happen and in 2011 the players make the on field happen. That group includes #31.

OK now literally end rant.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

I don't normally like to get personal - but your posts are idiotic.

Fortunately I think most Demonlanders have a reasonable grasp on what is going on. This gives me heart after I read ADC's panic stricken rants, and name calling of anyone who isn't as fearful as he is.

Fortunately all of the major players on our side have a greater grasp on reality and what is needed to be done.

It takes gumption not to fear the weight of expectation. It takes real courage to embrace it.

I wonder if there is a loser mentality at play here, where excuses for failure are put in place before the actual contest occurs.

And ADC will not address this post properly, he will continue with his tactic of attempting to have us all hiding in the corner wetting our pants, waiting to lose this great young player, waiting to the AFL to set us up for failure so then when the inevitable failure occurs it will come as no surprise.

I find solace in the fact that most people reject this notion and the there is a shift in the psyche of this great club.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

Some people get too uptight here. They don't like vigorous debate and thrashing out the issues from all points of view.

That is truly funny. You've just described your attitude to this whole saga to a tee.

[1.21 GigaWatts 1]

If what I said is eddy bashing then you're a touch sensitive. Also I never mentioned QB and he didn't gift us the game. Sure he gifted us the home team cash but the QB fixture was allocated by the AFL, who also allocate Collingwood the most generous MCG draw of any team which kind of makes Eddy's "gift" a little hollow. He may have mentioned his players but I'm pretty sure he didn't say the ink was drying and his source was impeccable as he did with Scully. Now take a spell by all means.

Sorry, he gifted Melbourne the gate receipts. Happy? As for the QB comment it was merely my evidence as to why

a- I don't like Eddie bashing and,

b- He can act in the best interests for the competition. You cannot argue that the "gift" of the QB as a home fixture is not in benefit of MFC over CFC.

Also if we haven't all heard that Scully hasn't signed then what the hell are we panicking about for 20+ pages of net chatter.

I also meant no offense when I said I disliked Eddie bashing and my reasoning seems sound. If you take offense to it then the trait of sensitivity is yours.

[loges 6,767]

Him or me?

I am not overly bright myself!!

Bottom line is that I do know that Tom is

1 Happy at MFC

2 Looking forward to NAB Cup/Season proper starting to put all of this crap behind him

3 Looking forward to SIGNING with MFC when the CBF is finalized (August Sept)

4 Looking forward to buying a property in Melbourne for him & his sister

Get him a fair & equitable deal and he is yours for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great to hear from someone who apparently has some inside info as to what may be happening. In fact all the posters I have read both here and elsewhere that claim to have some inside info have all said that he hasn,t signed and would be happy to stay at the Demons if the right deal is struck.

[1.21 GigaWatts 1]

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We really are ripping in to each other now aren't we?

I certainly hope the players don't read this thread because if they do they will wonder what we are on.

There have been a couple that have said they have information that would suggest he's staying and others that believe he's going, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I think I'll just concentrate on the season and worry about Tom sometime towards the end of the year.

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That's sensible. Now can we close this thread until some further "news" actually comes to light and not just constantly mull over unsubstantiated rumour and speculation?

And this...

[John Crow Batty 8,869]

Sorry, he gifted Melbourne the gate receipts. Happy? As for the QB comment it was merely my evidence as to why

a- I don't like Eddie bashing and,

b- He can act in the best interests for the competition. You cannot argue that the "gift" of the QB as a home fixture is not in benefit of MFC over CFC.

Also if we haven't all heard that Scully hasn't signed then what the hell are we panicking about for 20+ pages of net chatter.

I also meant no offense when I said I disliked Eddie bashing and my reasoning seems sound. If you take offense to it then the trait of sensitivity is yours.

He gave us a good leg up during hard times with the continuation of the QB game I agree.

[Samsara 65]

Here's to a successful 2011 I say. 2012 will sort itself out, and for now Scully is a Demon and deserves all the support he can get from the club and the supporters.

[Roost It 1,434]

Sorry, he gifted Melbourne the gate receipts. Happy? As for the QB comment it was merely my evidence as to why

a- I don't like Eddie bashing and,

b- He can act in the best interests for the competition. You cannot argue that the "gift" of the QB as a home fixture is not in benefit of MFC over CFC.

Also if we haven't all heard that Scully hasn't signed then what the hell are we panicking about for 20+ pages of net chatter.

I also meant no offense when I said I disliked Eddie bashing and my reasoning seems sound. If you take offense to it then the trait of sensitivity is yours.

He "gifts" us the gate receipts because he can. His club continually receives the Royal treatment from the AFL in regards to fixturing so as I said his "gift" is a tad hollow.

I'm not panicking as I don't believe and never have that Scully is leaving.

You didn't need to mention "Eddy bashing" as I wasn't bashing him. What I will say about Eddy "conflict of interest" Maguire is just that. What the hell is a club President doing fanning rumours about players at other clubs. The answer: Drawing the heat away from his own. The truth be known I am a tad sensitive!

[keepinthedreamalive 0]

Do people on here worry that Scully might be booed by his own fans next time he steps on the field?

I know it's unlikely and completely out of line but there are some absolute morons in society - MFC fans included!!

This is exactly what I was getting to!

Boo him in April/May & June, but then he signs in August!!!

What then????

I know for a fact that this kid loves the MFC!!!!!!

The question that everybody needs answered, is what have the MFC offered him to stay?????

Maybe we need to look at retention as an option?

Lets get it all knocked over soon & get on with the footy!!!!

[1.21 GigaWatts 1]

He "gifts" us the gate receipts because he can. His club continually receives the Royal treatment from the AFL in regards to fixturing so as I said his "gift" is a tad hollow.

I'm not panicking as I don't believe and never have that Scully is leaving.

You didn't need to mention "Eddy bashing" as I wasn't bashing him. What I will say about Eddy "conflict of interest" Maguire is just that. What the hell is a club President doing fanning rumours about players at other clubs. The answer: Drawing the heat away from his own. The truth be known I am a tad sensitive!

You know ... I like this. I reiterate that there wasn't an accusation of Eddie bashing. Just a statement of my dislike for it. But I hear what you're saying here, and i'm catching what you're throwing. Lets enjoy this season. For my own stability I hope it's a hell of a ride.

[loges 6,767]

If his management have put negotiations on hold then there's a fair chance MFC haven't had the opportunity to make an offer yet.

[Roost It 1,434]

You know ... I like this. I reiterate that there wasn't an accusation of Eddie bashing. Just a statement of my dislike for it. But I hear what you're saying here, and i'm catching what you're throwing. Lets enjoy this season. For my own stability I hope it's a hell of a ride.

I'm in, enjoy.