Woewodin to Lions

[beelzebub 23,195]

Shane Woewodin has taken an assistants role at Brisbane. Good luck

mate ... Did we just dip out there ?

[Adzman 2,153]

Not surprised he got a gig. Shame it wasn't with us.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

We need a defensive coach right now, i am happy to snare Woey in a couple of years time. Let him learn a few things first, although you wonder if the Bears is a good environment for that!!!! B)

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I am not sure why we are so keen to make MFC an "old boys" sanctuary particularly when we have been starved of real success for 46 years. Woey is starting off in the coaching caper. There is no certainty he is any good at all. I hope he shows more guile in coaching than picking the winds of change in his playing career.

MFC should only appoint the best available for any coaching role regardless of whether they played for MFC or not.

[Guest Thomo]

I am not sure why we are so keen to make MFC an "old boys" sanctuary particularly when we have been starved of real success for 46 years. Woey is starting off in the coaching caper. There is no certainty he is any good at all. I hope he shows more guile in coaching than picking the winds of change in his playing career.

MFC should only appoint the best available for any coaching role regardless of whether they played for MFC or not.

Woey is not just starting off, he has had some success in the WAFL as a senior coach.

Agree with your comments about the ‘old boys’, best man for the job gets the role, don't car where he played.

Disagree that he needs to ‘shows more guile in coaching than picking the winds of change in his playing career’. Picked up as a twenty-one year old in the preseason draft, won a brownlow and negotiated a massive multiyear contract with Melbourne, then they didn’t want to pay it so we shipped him off to a club where he came second in the b&f and played in a Grand final. Got the best out of himself, had a better career than 95 percent of AFL players, and hopefully set himself up financially.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

Woey is not just starting off, he has had some success in the WAFL as a senior coach.

Agree with your comments about the ‘old boys’, best man for the job gets the role, don't car where he played.

. Picked up as a twenty-one year old in the preseason draft, won a brownlow and negotiated a massive multiyear contract with Melbourne, then they didn’t want to pay it so we shipped him off to a club where he came second in the b&f and played in a Grand final. Got the best out of himself, had a better career than 95 percent of AFL players, and hopefully set himself up financially.

In both GF's Woey played in he was completely and utterly outclassed sadly. Woey was shipped off to Collingwood because if we had paid him that contract about 5-6 other players on our list would have had to have been shipped off. It was the Brownlow Medal and a greedy manager that caused most of the problems-That's what i was told at the time.

In some ways it was a shame he won that Dam Medal.

Woey was a really good player who gave his all (and More) but he was never Brilliant or elite.

The MFC was in a rock & a Hard Place with that one over the summer of 2002.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Disagree that he needs to ‘shows more guile in coaching than picking the winds of change in his playing career’. Picked up as a twenty-one year old in the preseason draft, won a brownlow and negotiated a massive multiyear contract with Melbourne, then they didn’t want to pay it so we shipped him off to a club where he came second in the b&f and played in a Grand final. Got the best out of himself, had a better career than 95 percent of AFL players, and hopefully set himself up financially.

Lets deal with some facts about Woey:

1. He has no AFL coaching experience at an assistant level so he's a greenhorn.

2. His manager negotiated an attractive contract for him. He just plays the football.

3. He did not have the nous to work out that when he was getting paid top $$$ at MFC, performance had fallen away considerably from his best year and playing off the HBL that his role might come up for review. And when it did he cracked the sads publicly.

4. He went to Collingwood and as the no 4 midfielder carried by Bucks, Burns and Licuria did well in his first year but was humiliated performance wise in the GF. Spent the final year of his career at the Pies in the reserves. When the Pies refused to enter a new contract for him, he once more publicly cracked the sads.

5. Then pursued further AFL opportunity in futile pre season try outs.

He was a player that did get the most out of himself and he should be acknowledged for that. However he had absolutely little street sense to realise when the game and its opportunities were changing around him and where he stood. And lacked the where with all to handle it professionally.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

It was the Brownlow Medal and a greedy manager that caused most of the problems-That's what i was told at the time.

In some ways it was a shame he won that Dam Medal.

You are kidding. Winning a B'low medal caused problems?? I have heard it all now. When Woey's contract was renegotiated at the end of 2000, he still had a year to run on his existing contract. Who started the renegotiations?? MFC to ward off potentially big offers from over West in 12 months time. They raised the $$$ and back ended the contract. Dumb move on two counts.

And can you imagine a player manager being "greedy" for getting the best deal for his client??

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

You are kidding. Winning a B'low medal caused problems?? I have heard it all now. When Woey's contract was renegotiated at the end of 2000, he still had a year to run on his existing contract. Who started the renegotiations?? MFC to ward off potentially big offers from over West in 12 months time. They raised the $$$ and back ended the contract. Dumb move on two counts.

And can you imagine a player manager being "greedy" for getting the best deal for his client??

Exactly the contract was negotiated after he won the Brownlow....An award nobody predicted, and in all honesty inflated his worth more than it should.

The player manager may have been doing the best for his client but he certainly helped push the salary cap of the club to the absolute limit with that contract, & yes as you say Performance by the end of 2002 had plateau'd at best.

If Woey had not won a charlie he would have played out his career at the MFC.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The player manager may have been doing the best for his client but he certainly helped push the salary cap of the club to the absolute limit with that contract, & yes as you say Performance by the end of 2002 had plateau'd at best.

Might it not be the Club's responsibility to manage the salary cap issue?

Think about it.

[jayceebee31 697]

Might it not be the Club's responsibility to manage the salary cap issue?

Think about it.

Welcome back RR- you are in devastating form.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

Might it not be the Club's responsibility to manage the salary cap issue?

Think about it.

Yes it is, but can you imagine what would have happened if we had got rid of Woey any earlier?? At the Time we had a lot of trouble fitting his contract in to keep below the Salary Cap. The Jump in his salary was steep to say the least.

The Club did not factor in a Brownlow medalist on the list at that time, so it was a genuine shock when it happened. Woey's new contract affected everybody else as i am sure you can invisage. Plus we had only just cleaned up the last Salary cap problem. So the club had to be very careful.

[Guest Thomo]

Lets deal with some facts about Woey:

1. He has no AFL coaching experience at an assistant level so he's a greenhorn.

2. His manager negotiated an attractive contract for him. He just plays the football.

3. He did not have the nous to work out that when he was getting paid top $$$ at MFC, performance had fallen away considerably from his best year and playing off the HBL that his role might come up for review. And when it did he cracked the sads publicly.

4. He went to Collingwood and as the no 4 midfielder carried by Bucks, Burns and Licuria did well in his first year but was humiliated performance wise in the GF. Spent the final year of his career at the Pies in the reserves. When the Pies refused to enter a new contract for him, he once more publicly cracked the sads.

5. Then pursued further AFL opportunity in futile pre season try outs.

He was a player that did get the most out of himself and he should be acknowledged for that. However he had absolutely little street sense to realise when the game and its opportunities were changing around him and where he stood. And lacked the where with all to handle it professionally.

OK, misunderstood your original post, reread it, he may not have been great at picking the winds of change in his playing career.

However, three years as a senior coach in the WAFL is coaching experience. Not AFL experience, but to say he is 'starting off in the coaching caper' is wrong.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Yes it is, but can you imagine what would have happened if we had got rid of Woey any earlier?? At the Time we had a lot of trouble fitting his contract in to keep below the Salary Cap. The Jump in his salary was steep to say the least.

The Club did not factor in a Brownlow medalist on the list at that time, so it was a genuine shock when it happened. Woey's new contract affected everybody else as i am sure you can invisage. Plus we had only just cleaned up the last Salary cap problem. So the club had to be very careful.

Absolute garbage. You are making this all up...again.

His contract was renegotiated post the B'low. We would not have got rid of Woey earlier as he was contracted. The contract was structured by the Club and was back ended so the contractual pain was at the final years of the contract. It was dumb business by the Club and not the "greedy manager" as you implied

Your grasp on issues is tenuous at best

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

However, three years as a senior coach in the WAFL is coaching experience. Not AFL experience, but to say he is 'starting off in the coaching caper' is wrong.

From an AFL perspective he is starting off. I wouldnt overvalue the WA experience in that context.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

Absolute garbage. You are making this all up...again.

His contract was renegotiated post the B'low. We would not have got rid of Woey earlier as he was contracted. The contract was structured by the Club and was back ended so the contractual pain was at the final years of the contract. It was dumb business by the Club and not the "greedy manager" as you implied

Your grasp on issues is tenuous at best

not the information i got from a board member of the day, whom i worked with for a number of years.

as i said contract was negotiated post brownlow. we couldn't afford the rise, but we had to keep him, otherwise the supporters would have gone spare.

it caused a lot of angst down the track, thus by 2002 it was either Woey or others who had to go as the contract was back ended.

without the brownlow medal woey would have stayed, which is what i originally said.

Edited October 6, 2010 by why you little

[dazzledavey36 52,713]

Lets deal with some facts about Woey:

1. He has no AFL coaching experience at an assistant level so he's a greenhorn.

2. His manager negotiated an attractive contract for him. He just plays the football.

3. He did not have the nous to work out that when he was getting paid top $$$ at MFC, performance had fallen away considerably from his best year and playing off the HBL that his role might come up for review. And when it did he cracked the sads publicly.

4. He went to Collingwood and as the no 4 midfielder carried by Bucks, Burns and Licuria did well in his first year but was humiliated performance wise in the GF. Spent the final year of his career at the Pies in the reserves. When the Pies refused to enter a new contract for him, he once more publicly cracked the sads.

5. Then pursued further AFL opportunity in futile pre season try outs.

He was a player that did get the most out of himself and he should be acknowledged for that. However he had absolutely little street sense to realise when the game and its opportunities were changing around him and where he stood. And lacked the where with all to handle it professionally.

woey did assitant work for a year with freo

[jacey 333]

woey did assitant work for a year with freo

Think Woey did 2 years as a Freo assistant coach but he was definitely there.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

not the information i got from a board member of the day, whom i worked with for a number of years.

as i said contract was negotiated post brownlow. we couldn't afford the rise, but we had to keep him, otherwise the supporters would have gone spare.

So why did the Club initiate the contract discussions when he still had a year to run on his contract? You are holding every one else responsible and accountable for Woey's contract (eg greedy manager tripe) but the Club. The Club initiated the discussions,the Club negotiated and agreed the contract and the Club dug its own grave on this. No one else.

If the information you got is the information you got from the Board member then I hope that Board member is no longer with the Club.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

woey did assitant work for a year with freo

Think Woey did 2 years as a Freo assistant coach but he was definitely there.

He did play for East Fremantle in 2007, his original club and coached them from 2008 to 2010. I am not sure the Sharks coaching gets him a berth at Freo though.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

So why did the Club initiate the contract discussions when he still had a year to run on his contract? You are holding every one else responsible and accountable for Woey's contract (eg greedy manager tripe) but the Club. The Club initiated the discussions,the Club negotiated and agreed the contract and the Club dug its own grave on this. No one else.

If the information you got is the information you got from the Board member then I hope that Board member is no longer with the Club.

i am not saying anyone is to blame RR, don't put words in my mouth.

All i am saying is that after winning the Charlie Woeys wage went up, more than the club could really afford-but because of his position within the club at the time we had to keep him. By the end of 2002 it became too much. It was either Woey goes or 5-6 other contracts were in jeopardy.

In Hindsight maybe the club should have been more diligent-but my original point is that nobody expected that Brownlow, So something had to give.

[gOLLy 401]

Welcome back RR- you are in devastating form.

Yes!!! In fine form.....

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

i am not saying anyone is to blame RR, don't put words in my mouth.

No you said....

It was the Brownlow Medal and a greedy manager that caused most of the problems-

You put silly "words in your own mouth". Caught out again foolishly

All i am saying is that after winning the Charlie Woeys wage went up, more than the club could really afford-but because of his position within the club at the time we had to keep him.

Wrong.

He was srill contracted to the Club in 2001.

The Club chose to renegotiate his contract at the end of 2000.

The Club is fully responsible and accountable for agreeing to the contract terms including the back ended contract.

Its that simple. I dont know why you try to make things up to show otherwise.

[gOLLy 401]

No you said....

You put silly "words in your own mouth". Caught out again foolishly

Wrong.

He was srill contracted to the Club in 2001.

The Club chose to renegotiate his contract at the end of 2000.

The Club is fully responsible and accountable for agreeing to the contract terms including the back ended contract.

Its that simple. I dont know why you try to make things up to show otherwise.

ah the form...of the man

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

He was srill contracted to the Club in 2001.

The Club chose to renegotiate his contract at the end of 2000.

The Club is fully responsible and accountable for agreeing to the contract terms including the back ended contract.

Its that simple. I dont know why you try to make things up to show otherwise.

FFS i know the club was responsible and accountable....., but in this case it was not their fault. What i am saying is they had no choice. Once the Brownlow was won unexpectantly the club was in a rock and a hard place. I know when the contract was negotiated, i was told of the long hours that went into to it at the time....