Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted

Mark Seaby has put a price on his own head?

He is a complete spud. I'm surprised there's enough interest in him for him to be choosy. I would've thought he'd be jumping at whatever club showed any vague interest.

  • Replies 53
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted
so PJ played 16 games and some people think he's crap...i think 16 games for the year is a reasonable indication of whether you can handle it at the top level. i don't think 7 games is enough games to be considered a performer. i would agree he has improved....but he's by no means a proven ruckman. I don't mind PJ...

i'm in favour of trading jamar now...we did try and trade him last year...but nobody wanted him...i'd prefer to play a younger less experienced ruckman who would play like he has nothing to lose rather than a ruckman that has been on the list for 7 years...has confidence issues and injuries.

Its an indication of how slim our ruck stocks are that we had only PJ fit and at times it was embarrassing. Performance is all about quality of output not number of games. If Jamar is not a proven ruckman at MFC then I am not sure what PJ has proven beyond the fooling a few posters.

Any reason why you would not trade PJ.... Do you think 15 other Clubs have worked out what you cant?

Posted
Port Adelaide has said they wont be looking at Mark Seaby.The Port footy department is currently being propped up by the SANFL so they cant afford to pay Seaby what he wants.They have to cut back playing spending as the club made a loss again this year.Seaby is apparently out of their price range & the rumour is that Sydney have spoken to him & its at the stage where W.C & Sydney are trying to work out a deal.With Port saying day by day that they desperatly need a Ruckman & will offer up pick 8 maybe we could help.I know Jamar is starting to show something but sometimes you have to give up something to make the club better & also still rumours that he wants to leave us anyway.I would be keen to offload Jamar & our 4th round pick or Jamar & Bell to get Ports pick 8.Imagine if we had pick 1,2,8 & 18.Thats 4 picks in the top 20 where all the cream is.Thats never been done before & would be a huge boost for us.We could get Skully,Trengove at 1 & 2 & then look at Carlisle or Rohan et the number 8 & the Panos or Butcher at 18.Would have the 2 best mids then a couple of KPP.Would be a great win for us.Even Jamar or T-Mac for this to happen would be a good outcome in my opinion

I'd jump on Jamar for 8 in a flash, even with all the sweetners in the world that would never happen though.

Posted
PJ is not and never has been a 'genuine ruckman'.

He's a 200cm midget.

Pj played 16 games while Jamar played 7. Must be the better player. Woah. Clap clap clap. Must make Mark Blake a better player then Ottens. Shane O'bree has played more games then Scott Pendlebury. Must make him a better player too.

As for PJ knocking off Sandilands and Cox, I didn't know being competitive and at best breaking even means beating them.

PJ has had a shocker of a year.

Jamar plays like a big man should. PJ well, has played 17 games when Jamar, Meesen and even Spencer have been injured.

Posted
I never said PJ was crap & nobody else has. People are saying PJ is not a ruckman. And if he is not a ruckman what is he?

i know you never said PJ was crap...i understand you said he's not a ruckman... 'jacey' has said PJ has had a shocker year...many posts on this site about how crap PJ is...

Acording to people who know PJ from playing with him around frankston he's a forward. that's where he's played most of his footy...i agree he's not a ruckman...

Posted

I don't understand the OP.

More or less suggesting that the level he has played at this year couldn't possibly be an improvement purely due to the number of games?

Posted
i know you never said PJ was crap...i understand you said he's not a ruckman... 'jacey' has said PJ has had a shocker year...many posts on this site about how crap PJ is...

Acording to people who know PJ from playing with him around frankston he's a forward. that's where he's played most of his footy...i agree he's not a ruckman...

You are putting all the people who want to keep Jamar in the 'Jamar lovers' basket & putting all the people who question PJ's ability to hold down a position in the 'PJ's crap' basket. That is not what people are saying.

Many people in the keep Jamar camp still question his ability however they think we should persist with him because he is our best ruck option at the moment.

If we get rid of Jamar and you agree that PJ is not a ruckman, who do you think should be playing 1st ruck next year?

You cannot say Jamar's a dud, get rid of him & then not offer a solution for our ruck woes.

And we cannot play all of Watts, Jurrah, Miller, Bate & PJ in the forwardline, not to mention guys like Martin, Garland & Newton as potential options as well. Who does PJ get a game in the forwardline before? Of all our forward options, where does PJ rank?

Posted
i know you never said PJ was crap...i understand you said he's not a ruckman... 'jacey' has said PJ has had a shocker year...many posts on this site about how crap PJ is...

Acording to people who know PJ from playing with him around frankston he's a forward. that's where he's played most of his footy...i agree he's not a ruckman...

So you want to get rid of Jamar because PJ is a better ruckman but you want PJ to play as a forward?

That doesn't make any sense.

And BTW, PJ is, at best, a small lead up target because he doesn't impose himself on contests. He is 200cm and 100kg but it doesn't mean a thing when you don't use your bulk and impose yourself when going for a mark.

He has skills and is athletic, but he is a classic tease. Adequate at everything, good at nothing.


Posted
Mark Seaby has put a price on his own head?

He is a complete spud. I'm surprised there's enough interest in him for him to be choosy. I would've thought he'd be jumping at whatever club showed any vague interest.

Isn't he a Premiership ruckman...

Posted
Port Adelaide has said they wont be looking at Mark Seaby.The Port footy department is currently being propped up by the SANFL so they cant afford to pay Seaby what he wants.They have to cut back playing spending as the club made a loss again this year.Seaby is apparently out of their price range & the rumour is that Sydney have spoken to him & its at the stage where W.C & Sydney are trying to work out a deal.With Port saying day by day that they desperatly need a Ruckman & will offer up pick 8 maybe we could help.I know Jamar is starting to show something but sometimes you have to give up something to make the club better & also still rumours that he wants to leave us anyway.I would be keen to offload Jamar & our 4th round pick or Jamar & Bell to get Ports pick 8.Imagine if we had pick 1,2,8 & 18.Thats 4 picks in the top 20 where all the cream is.Thats never been done before & would be a huge boost for us.We could get Skully,Trengove at 1 & 2 & then look at Carlisle or Rohan et the number 8 & the Panos or Butcher at 18.Would have the 2 best mids then a couple of KPP.Would be a great win for us.Even Jamar or T-Mac for this to happen would be a good outcome in my opinion

This prooves you are making this stuff up

Posted
He's a 200cm midget.

Pj played 16 games while Jamar played 7. Must be the better player. Woah. Clap clap clap. Must make Mark Blake a better player then Ottens. Shane O'bree has played more games then Scott Pendlebury. Must make him a better player too.

As for PJ knocking off Sandilands and Cox, I didn't know being competitive and at best breaking even means beating them.

PJ has had a shocker of a year.

Jamar plays like a big man should. PJ well, has played 17 games when Jamar, Meesen and even Spencer have been injured.

PJ is a tall, slow midfielder with poor skills, but he can pinch hit in the ruck.

Guest master bate
Posted
so PJ played 16 games and some people think he's crap...i think 16 games for the year is a reasonable indication of whether you can handle it at the top level. i don't think 7 games is enough games to be considered a performer. i would agree he has improved....but he's by no means a proven ruckman. I don't mind PJ...

i'm in favour of trading jamar now...we did try and trade him last year...but nobody wanted him...i'd prefer to play a younger less experienced ruckman who would play like he has nothing to lose rather than a ruckman that has been on the list for 7 years...has confidence issues and injuries.

Your rediculous comments in this thread have forced me to join the land after lurking for a while now.

7 games verse 16 would be a legitimate argument if for the fact that Jamar missed a large chunk of the season injured. Do you not understand that? It would be like saying Garland and Wona are no good because they played 1 game between them this year.

PJ wins less hitouts (vitally important in winning finals) and takes 0 contested marks. He gets more stats than Jamar but as he doesn't know his limitations he turns it over. He also has 0 physical impact on a game, where as Jamar can hurt the other sides. It's fair to say that Jamar now offers more up forward than PJ as well.

PJ did do a good job on Sandilands and Cox, but they were practically his only good games all year.

In his 7 games Jamar is 7th for hit outs per game, and played mainly forward against Carlton which would have lowered his average. PJ is 27th, despite playing first ruck for a large part of the year.

You say Jamar will be old come our premiership time - but Gardiner, King and Ottens are all getting on and will most likely be in the grand final this year. BIG ruckmen are late developers but if you get them fit at the right time they are invaluable.

Next year - Jamar first ruck, Martin on the bench due to versatility, Meesen as the back up pushing the other 2. Spencer on the rookie list. PJ to the tip.

Posted
Your rediculous comments in this thread have forced me to join the land after lurking for a while now.

7 games verse 16 would be a legitimate argument if for the fact that Jamar missed a large chunk of the season injured. Do you not understand that? It would be like saying Garland and Wona are no good because they played 1 game between them this year.

PJ wins less hitouts (vitally important in winning finals) and takes 0 contested marks. He gets more stats than Jamar but as he doesn't know his limitations he turns it over. He also has 0 physical impact on a game, where as Jamar can hurt the other sides. It's fair to say that Jamar now offers more up forward than PJ as well.

PJ did do a good job on Sandilands and Cox, but they were practically his only good games all year.

In his 7 games Jamar is 7th for hit outs per game, and played mainly forward against Carlton which would have lowered his average. PJ is 27th, despite playing first ruck for a large part of the year.

You say Jamar will be old come our premiership time - but Gardiner, King and Ottens are all getting on and will most likely be in the grand final this year. BIG ruckmen are late developers but if you get them fit at the right time they are invaluable.

Next year - Jamar first ruck, Martin on the bench due to versatility, Meesen as the back up pushing the other 2. Spencer on the rookie list. PJ to the tip.

One of the biggest issues I had against Jamar, up until a couple of years ago, was his lack of physical presence but he now seems to have over come this and is imposing himself on the contest and hurting the opposition. I reckon that PJ needs to do the same and he, like Jamar, has to realise that he has a huge frame and can split a pack causing the opposition players to look over their shoulder.

I'm not sure what caused the difference in Jamar whether it was the new coach or just a player finally growing up, but maybe he can pass the secret to PJ and we could have another big mobile player on our hands. PJ has a decision making problem and whilst his skill is not to bad he just kicks the ball to the wrong spot.

Posted

it's pretty funny people are having a go at PJ becuase he played 16 games and jamar has only played 7 games.

in 100 years time for now...nobody will care that jamar played 7 games...fact is...PJ played 16 games and picked up the slack.

Jamar has been a passenger all year and 'jamar lovers' luv him for it!

Posted
it's pretty funny people are having a go at PJ becuase he played 16 games and jamar has only played 7 games.

in 100 years time for now...nobody will care that jamar played 7 games...fact is...PJ played 16 games and picked up the slack.

Jamar has been a passenger all year and 'jamar lovers' luv him for it!

With all due respect - are you even trying to convince anyone that PJ is a superior ruckman and should be retained?

Because if DB asked me to play 20 games next year I would.

You know, just to pick up the slack...

Posted
With all due respect - are you even trying to convince anyone that PJ is a superior ruckman and should be retained?

Because if DB asked me to play 20 games next year I would.

You know, just to pick up the slack...

i'm not saying PJ is the superior ruckman by any means....but the fact that PJ played more games that will be the assumption...just like u read into my comments...my point is...PJ played more games in the ruck...we now know 100% he's not a ruckman....jamar has played 7 games this year...are u 100% sure he's a champ or just improved? an improved player is great...but it's only going to take consistent games for the opposition to work him out...think about it...

event though he's going to be to old for our premeirship challenge...do u want him still?

i'm sure your a capable player...just like jamar


Posted
i'm not saying PJ is the superior ruckman by any means....but the fact that PJ played more games that will be the assumption...just like u read into my comments...my point is...PJ played more games in the ruck...we now know 100% he's not a ruckman....jamar has played 7 games this year...are u 100% sure he's a champ or just improved? an improved player is great...but it's only going to take consistent games for the opposition to work him out...think about it...

event though he's going to be to old for our premeirship challenge...do u want him still?

i'm sure your a capable player...just like jamar

Then I don't know why you keep mentioning Jamar.

If you know PJ isn't a ruckman, but a forward, then you should be comparing him to Bate, Jurrah, Petterd, and Robertson this season as they play the same forward 'lead-up' role as PJ. How does PJ fit in to our best 22? (keeping in mind Watts will take Robertson's spot in the forward line.)

Jamar turns 26 this month, he is only a few months older than Moloney, Davey, and Warnock. What do we do with them?

Posted
Then I don't know why you keep mentioning Jamar.

If you know PJ isn't a ruckman, but a forward, then you should be comparing him to Bate, Jurrah, Petterd, and Robertson this season as they play the same forward 'lead-up' role as PJ. How does PJ fit in to our best 22? (keeping in mind Watts will take Robertson's spot in the forward line.)

Jamar turns 26 this month, he is only a few months older than Moloney, Davey, and Warnock. What do we do with them?

Jamar has already turned 26 last month...but good on ya...for thinking he's awesome and younger than he really is...my first post gave the link to his stats..and his birth date fool...ha

as this post has gone on...i have been the one to gain traction wit my argument....i've pulled out stats...people against me have only given opinion...at the end of the day...noboy gives a [censored] about your opinion in 100 years....but i'd be happy if it did...because that would be fair...as it would be on record...other than people looking at cold hard facts...

Posted
Jamar has already turned 26 last month...but good on ya...for thinking he's awesome and younger than he really is...my first post gave the link to his stats..and his birth date fool...ha

as this post has gone on...i have been the one to gain traction wit my argument....i've pulled out stats...people against me have only given opinion...at the end of the day...noboy gives a [censored] about your opinion in 100 years....but i'd be happy if it did...because that would be fair...as it would be on record...other than people looking at cold hard facts...

Isn't this great?

What has happened to Demonland in the last few weeks?

The strikerate on here has certainly diminished, and 45HG16 and I have had a few laughs but it's frustrating to say the least.

What can anyone say about the 'Kaiser Chief' generation?

"It's cool to know nothing..."

Posted
Isn't this great?

What has happened to Demonland in the last few weeks?

The strikerate on here has certainly diminished, and 45HG16 and I have had a few laughs but it's frustrating to say the least.

What can anyone say about the 'Kaiser Chief' generation?

"It's cool to know nothing..."

nobody asks you to put posts on this site..but if u don't know your facts....then your really going to sound stupid...i get the feeling your not really as stupid as you sound...

Posted
nobody asks you to put posts on this site..but if u don't know your facts....then your really going to sound stupid...i get the feeling your not really as stupid as you sound...

After reading your posts on this thread I doubt that anyone could make the same argument on your behalf.

Posted
After reading your posts on this thread I doubt that anyone could make the same argument on your behalf.

ha...i think you'll find i've used stats, available in the public domain to backup my argument/opinion...now for some reason...when someone doesn't like what i'm saying...they simiply turn to having a personal attack at me and clearly loose focus of what putting posts on this site is all about....thanks for reading my posts though.

Posted
ha...i think you'll find i've used stats, available in the public domain to backup my argument/opinion...now for some reason...when someone doesn't like what i'm saying...they simiply turn to having a personal attack at me and clearly loose focus of what putting posts on this site is all about....thanks for reading my posts though.

Stats give you a limited view of what occurs in a game of and if that's all you can base you argument on you obviously don't know much about football.

Stats don't tell you that the ruckman hit the body of the opposition player so hard and so often he rendered him useless and in fact he had to miss the following week. Where do you find that sort of thing out in your stats list?

Try going to the game and opening you eyes.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...