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74% disp eff and 66% kicking eff career, lowest being this year but his inside 50's this year was way up to 4 a game from 3 per game so that works hand in hand really. For a line breaker that's running at speed, that is v solid. He takes the kicks most never even attempt which hurts him but that is GWS coaches encouraging him to do so most likely. Comp to Nibbler for instance who went at 53% Kick Eff this year at similar i50 per game (less though 3.4 vs Finn 3.8) Salem for instance goes 72% Career but has only 2 i50 per game and LY went at 68% kicking eff.. Gus is his closest demon career wise and Gus wasn't sprinting 80% of time he kicked.. 20 Coaches votes this year for me means he has gone form prospect to pro -- but we all have our opinions that is what makes the world go round haha

Fair enough.. but if he was a Demon it'd be a game-changer for me & i'd be hyped-up like a 90's rap MC 🤩 2024 Disposals: 22.9 / 346m gained 2024 Player rating: 11.65 (for perspective, that is similar to say Daniels at GWS, and is better than Langdon has ever had best of 10.1 same exact best rating as Salem coincidentally in his entire career, Finn has played 50 games) So I think saying he is a tease might be a little harsh for a 3rd year player. But get where you are coming from! For further ref only, Trac goes i50 more than anyone just about and therefore his kicking (which is inconsistent we know) is 55% for career @4.9 i50's per game.. His kicks go 17m on avg, Finn's 16m.

Finn is certified line breaker, precise by foot and a lethal finisher with pace.. and YOUNG

I am still holding some hope that there are 1-2 players were into that aren't public yet, seems its not Riccardi or C Brown like i'd hoped or Hogan which I was trying to manifest haha but def feels like there is someone in the wind late.. Callahan feels like a next year one for Saints and anyone else but if available have a crack, issue is gonna be pick5 ie we are NOT moving it for anything! Hence why SH deal won't come back, as we weren't thinking it'd be #5 when he backed-out so am glad he did, the turncoat he is!

Yes, that is what made me see improvement, but outside of that he has looked a lil shaky.. but def has some talent that much is clear, wld just make me nervous ala Chisholm used to same kinda jitters spring to mind

Callahan is FAR superior to DH, not even close. Diff roles, age a factor in that also.

Jagga will be LONG gone I suspect, I am just glad somehow Smilie might be available, after seeing him live -- he is the exact player we need.

If a medical shows he is still capable physically, must be looked at surely!

I cannot see it with Leek tbh, looks like a duck-out-of-water whenever I see him, def improving though!

Would almost be my #1 Dees target right now comp wide, so I dare say we would be and have been keen on him prev.

No mate, this kid can play and has WAY more upside -- he lead GWS VFL Gkicking LY and played very well behind ball this year, they just have a plethora of talls ahead of him and he wants to come to VIC for family reasons (3 kids) and obv opportunity.

No mate, this kid can play and has WAY more upside -- he lead GWS VFL Gkicking LY and played very well behind ball this year, they just have a plethora of talls ahead of him and he wants to come to VIC for family reasons (3 kids) and obv opportunity.

No mate, this kid can play and has WAY more upside -- he lead GWS VFL Gkicking LY and played very well behind ball this year, they just have a plethora of talls ahead of him and he wants to come to VIC for family reasons (3 kids) and obv opportunity.

I think he has sone great afl qualities as well, but also has his deficiencies but as a role player he'd be an asset if he came as a cheapie that is for sure.

Does sound like a NPC for sure

Torn in this one — can finish which we DESPERATELY need but his def pressure isn’t there so if free is be a yes which he should be considering he hasn’t been offered a contract due to their interest in other players like Haynes etc but with them missing on a couple they might offer him a deal now

Kennedy def fits the bill keys hope we go after him! Wade Derkson — as reported by afl.com.au & above is someone we have interest in and his hands are allegedly super-strong so watch that space could be a nice little get for not much & giants signed him up so they def saw something on him

Sorry tagged wrong post.. but for those who say 'big deal, travel tie etc boo hoo - or No.31 "When looking for a new job (say it is an office job), do you look at the location, condition, style, facilities of the office, the building its located in and the area it is in?" -- You are missing the point, it is NOT an office-job, it is their life for a SHORT term and they want every advantage to make most of it while they can, so appropriate comparison would be 'do you take a job based on the amount of hours you work, the amount of advantages you get like better training, a laptop supplied, a phone, a gym, a daycare for kids etc..etc its also largely about convenience! Modern footballers want not only to aforementioned point on facilities: top-grade nutrition and equipment, recovery technology, and most of all -- work/life balance, it is extremely important to them, so asking players to join US when they can join a club with better facilities AND get 6-8hrs a week back in their time-poor lives is just putting the blinkers on... It is not only about current players, it is about our ability to recruit and to not have our big name players get envious of what they COULD have elsewhere! Casey isn't a full-blown facility anyways, so its mute! I agree in terms of 'who cares, just do it, you took the job etc' but the AFL workforce isn't like other workforces, it is elite and every single advantage is scrutinized by every single person via every tiny crack of every tile... and drafted players don't choose the MFC, they are drafted, so to keep them this stuff becomes super relevant and most of all to WOO new players, it is absolutely imperative. How many of you have actually seen Pies facilities? the meal space, the ridiculous fitness equipment and convenience, the tech? Plenty of youtube vids to watch to see a sneak-peek is enough to go, WOW!!! not to mention central location so players can do more collaborative extra work at club, have their medical appointments there etc etc it goes on and on! I'd love to hear it is signed off on, great!!! But it will not change our current or immediate future, only the next batch in 3-5 years most likely.

I agree it'd be fantastic, IF it goes through! Albeit too late for current group, more to my earlier point. But well said!

There is a host of reasons why Goschs won't work I am told, but I am currently ignorant of the detail. I would LOVE that to become a permanent home, but been old its not possible, largest reason being lack of indoor facilities required for FT home etc but there are a few others as well, mostly around space from memory, alongside shared tenancy obviously.

Yes, Wright was appointed a while ago and it was announced 5wks ago. You don't remove Lamb unless you have a superior option, and even if you do it is still a move that doesn't make a lot of sense for me, list is NOT our problem whatsoever, but many on here have become a little spoiled and hurt which is fine, understandable! I'm certain I'd of been the same 5, maybe 10 years ago! No list manager could have foreseen the current challenges we face, In fact I cannot think of one contract outside of Clarry's right now (which I think will subside by round 4 next year when he is fit and healthy) that is an issue, whereas most other clubs have a multitude of those poor contracts. I also cannot think of a club that has more young talent signed up than we do!!!! All players ppl take issue with cost us Zilch, McAdam is a deal that is still to be determined, atm we paid slight overs, (Nibs) but again that is still redeemable 100%.. I'd love to hear some actual reasons, genuinely curious I am missing something!

Forgive me for asking, but WHY?!?! Also, it sure ain't gonna happen NOW right ahead of draft and trade periods!!! Sure, he is definitely not as highly regarded as JT, but he is responsible for some excellent trades, especially draft related trades that set-up our list incredibly well. He is not responsible for lack of us being able to lure players, that is down to a plethora of things and for me most of all CASEY being the biggest issue right now... Unless Daniel Hoyne became available, or maybe 2-3 current AFL List Managers whom are firmly entrenched in their roles, there is no reason whatsoever to take as big a risk as this.. If Gus doesn't get knocked out in opening 10m of Pies final, we likely win a flag -- Are you even considering such a thing? If AFL doesn't screw us on Mac Andrew we'd have another HUGE piece to be excited about and arguably changed things this year as well.. Smith making his poor decision, Clarry and Trac issues... ALL more to do with our year than Lamby. I think were all rightly upset, but don't think throwing baby out with bath water is necessary just yet and I still think McAdam has a role to play next year, and Billings has added decent depth and finished year strong most of all injury free so another pre-season into him wont hurt either. We got him for nothing! Hunter is washed, but we still have a BIG recruitment drive ahead inc chasing pick 14 or other top 20 picks and a key fwd, mid depth etc so lets see what he does and judge it all in 10mths time.

I don't think that is a so much a factor as you'd think, contract rules are different now anyways and we'd not pay out entire contract. If Goody was clearly not the man, we'd make the call. But to say he isn't, seems on all available evidence, ridiculous to me in all honesty. Definitely think he needs 1-2 new voices around him, esp in terms of game-style and nuance things like running patterns, transition especially but the results in finals show me we aren't far off at ALL given 3/4 remaining teams we ran within a goal in latter part of year and the other we BEAT in only meeting -- We are so close and have the talent coming through to elevate and most pertinently of all, if we get 90% doing 90% of pre-season I'd back us top 4 for all the money!!!

I am now of FIRM belief KW is off to GC. Based purely on current state-of-play, and vibe! Despite feeling since he surfaced Jeff raised him right, it now just feels like another Mac Andrew and Ah-Mu face-slap!!! Lord I hope I am wrong.. but Mac still hurts, only solace I take was that on draft night I felt like one of few whom felt Mac would be a genuine Unicorn that'd take comp by storm, although now that kind of just feels like even more of a slap. AFL have absolutely rooted us, bloody disgrace.

Indeed! and is NOTHING like Cale Morton, whom was nothing more than a tall mid, who's lack of speed, decision-making under any pressure and foot-skills somehow got glossed over by all and sundry!