Cranky Franky

Of course it happened. The point me & Biffen are trying to make is that the British intentions were initially quiet honourable & early on relationships between the natives & settlers were quiet good. You can read Dancing With Strangers by Inga Clendinnen for an account. Unfortunately things went pearshaped after that especially further out on the frontier with killings, massacres & then poisonings & diseases.

Sorry mate but you are completely confusing issues. The Admiralty's instructions to Phillip through the Letters Patent instructed him to afford the natives protection under the Crown. In fact records note that there were 17 odd attacks or killings of settlers at Sydney Cove by natives before Phillip ordered a retaliation. Phillip himself was almost killed but declined to retaliate. The situation in Tasmania was that the Palawa fought back against the whites taking their lands & war effectively broke out between them & Tasmanian settlers. The circumstances were totally different.

Dieter you do understand that repeating your claim about Goodes again and again is not actually evidence & u sound like Trump & the stolen election. And BTW every country throughout its history been racist and supremacist either white, black, yellow or brown. Maybe you can enlighten us with some exceptions - Germany maybe or Ruanda, Brazil, india, maybe Japan ?

As the modern virtue signallers say "Wow Just Wow" Not sure of the relevance of his birthplace or ancestors or depression - you seem to be besotted with HL. Surprised you don't reckon someone who has earn't enough to retire at 31 isn't privileged. He has had a thoroughly middle class Australian upbringing. Suggest you look at the life of Polly Farmer, Robbie Muir or Syd Jackson if you want to read about real struggles and adversity. Anyhow you are entitled to your opinion & we are clearly not going to agree about it so think I'll leave HL & move to other matters.

Several, the Walid Ali interview, comments from contemporary players and the 2006 interview abt his nickname- all have been swept under the carpet. Anyhow we clearly disagree so any further discussion is pointless - think I'll focus on the footy.

This isn't going anywhere so we should agree to disagree. Neither of us can provide hard evidence of why Goodes was booed only theories.

I know that suits the popular narrative but I and many others don't agree. How would you prove it ? I can't recall any other Indigenous players being systematically booed. Michael Long & Nicki Winmarin both made a stand & were not booed In fact Eddie Betts & Mick O'Louglin would be 2 of the most well liked players of their era.

I like to follow facts & not jump on bandwagons. Usually nobody is completely right or wrong. The truth is usually in a gray area in the middle. What is it that I said that suggests I support racism ?

The point I'm making is that he's had a very privileged life both in financial terms and opportunities. Some posters seem to think its obligatory to like HL. I didn't like him at Collingwood, or at Melbourne and I don't like him now

Ok Dieter I don't mind that you disagree with me but don't tell me I don't know how racism works because I am a wog as well and I copped racism all through school. I've also worked on a number of Indigenous Communities in the NT and am proud to count maybe 20 to 30 Aboriginal people as good friends or at least solid acquaintences so I know very well how racism works.

No I didn't boo Goodes though I didn't like him as a player, but I booed Chris Lewis & Tony Shaw and Linsdsay Thomas & Steve Silvagni and Robbie Muir and Barry Hall so I'm not sure what that makes me. I did get into a blue at the G once with another Melbourne supporter who was screaming at a young J Farmer to stop going on walkabout. And no Goodes has not screwed my missus. Why do you ask ? Has he screwed yours ?

This is the nub of the Goodes issue. My view is that (unfortunately) Goodes was booed because of the way the young girl was treated by AFL security at the game & by the AFL's clumsy efforts after the incident. Others insist Goodes was booed because of his comments on Indigenous matters but how are you going to prove one way or another short of interviewing all the people booing at the game.

Agree with u wholeheartedly PJ. This self obsessed prat made more money in footy than I made in a lifetime & didn't exactly endear himself to supporters with the way he finished at Melbourne. He can stay in the US & count his $$. I reckon he & Eddie & the Pies all deserve each other.

Your narrative is 100% acceptance of anything HL or others say that condemns Collingwood in this saga but have a glib rebuttal or ready made excuse of any contradictory evidence.

Rubbish - Petty is a natural defender. I watched him quiet a bit at Casey & he has the potential to be a top quality defender.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

And there's no evidence he didn't provide the answers either. You think the media team came up with "a chimpanzee" by themselves ? You sound like HL's PR team.

Any evidence of this ? If you actually read all his answers it doesn't look like the stuff the PR people would know. In any case you prove my point ie you 100% support any evidence that backs your argument and ignore or minimise any evidence to the contrary. That's the Q Anon playbook.

Sam Newman is a [censored] however you seem to be selective in the evidence you accept. All the evidence has to be judged on its merits not on whether it supports or rejects the allegations. Go down that alley & you are no better than conspiracy theorists.

I'm loving this. Mention the word racism & everyone has an opinion. Everyone is an expert. My score so far: 15% of posts from the apologist, conservative right, all overblown, nothing to see here 25% of posts from super woke, outraged, virtue signalling lefty warriors 60% of posts from supporters who just hate Collingwood and/or McGuire

Much ado about nothing. The 2 posters who have actually seen him play said he is average & on par with say 40 other small forwards in the comp.

Thats a cheap shot - pure speculation as you have no evidence at all. It seems a fact now that people who get caught out invariably play the mental health card so now its hard to work out who is actually telling the truth. B

He joins a long line of recruits nominated to be stars by Dees supporters based on absolutely zero evidence like Warren Ayers, Daniel Breese & Jack Fitzpatrick.

On your own there David. Doubt u would find anyone that agrees with your comments.

Mate I loved Tassie J too but suggesting he always made the centre circle - almost to the CHF zone is laying it on a bit thick I reckon. Its 75m from the edge of the goal square to the centre of the MCG & while I'm sure he rugularly kicked out 50 to 60 m I doubt he made the centre square very often unless he had a following wind.